Comments on: Atom-based Wind PC gives more performance datapoints. http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/ portable pc, mobile computer, pocket pc and handheld computing Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:29:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: DavidC1 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2230 DavidC1 Fri, 23 May 2008 01:41:29 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2230 I don't think we'll ever see power measurement results per CPU. There barely are any results for notebook CPUs. Anyway, so far Intel is the more reliable source. We'll see how Isaiah does when it comes out. I don’t think we’ll ever see power measurement results per CPU. There barely are any results for notebook CPUs.

Anyway, so far Intel is the more reliable source. We’ll see how Isaiah does when it comes out.

]]> By: Piter http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2211 Piter Thu, 22 May 2008 17:37:22 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2211 Well, I did some research and so far we have the 1W TDP processor from VIA. It's the Eden@0.5GHz ULV (Esther core, aha C7). Also they claim the Isaiah (C8) to be the same power envelope so... maybe we will see ie Isaiah@0.8GHz ULV with TDP at range of 1-2W. Anyway, back to my previous post, I wish I saw some figures from a real power measurement. Well, I did some research and so far we have the 1W TDP processor from VIA. It’s the Eden@0.5GHz ULV (Esther core, aha C7). Also they claim the Isaiah (C8) to be the same power envelope so… maybe we will see ie Isaiah@0.8GHz ULV with TDP at range of 1-2W. Anyway, back to my previous post, I wish I saw some figures from a real power measurement.

]]> By: Piter http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2210 Piter Thu, 22 May 2008 17:01:56 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2210 @DavidC1 OK. I can get your point. All sounds logical and if I have to be honest I must agree. BTW is there any test of the Atom's power consumption in different apps (idle,video playback,rendering)? @DavidC1

OK. I can get your point. All sounds logical and if I have to be honest I must agree. BTW is there any test of the Atom’s power consumption in different apps (idle,video playback,rendering)?

]]> By: DavidC1 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2186 DavidC1 Wed, 21 May 2008 23:47:41 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2186 The TDP spec was seriously wrong with Pentium 4/Pentium D processors. But after the Core 2 Duo came out, the differences between AMD's and Intel's TDP became negligible. TDP do represent the realistic maximum power CPU can consume(it can even reach higher than TDP but CPUs like Core 2 and AX2 its likely not gonna happen unless all you want to make is a code to make the CPU heat up). Things like Video rendering will be able to reach very close to TDP, 3D games will reach 60-70% for desktop processors. I guess whether its a right or wrong depends on what you are doing. But generally, TDP means maximum power consumption a CPU will use. The TDP spec was seriously wrong with Pentium 4/Pentium D processors. But after the Core 2 Duo came out, the differences between AMD’s and Intel’s TDP became negligible. TDP do represent the realistic maximum power CPU can consume(it can even reach higher than TDP but CPUs like Core 2 and AX2 its likely not gonna happen unless all you want to make is a code to make the CPU heat up).

Things like Video rendering will be able to reach very close to TDP, 3D games will reach 60-70% for desktop processors.

I guess whether its a right or wrong depends on what you are doing. But generally, TDP means maximum power consumption a CPU will use.

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]]> By: Piter http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2148 Piter Wed, 21 May 2008 10:17:38 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2148 @DavidC1 Almost agreed . But in terms of power consumption TDP is misleading (not meaningless). See wiki or Intel's, AMD's processors spec. You will see different definition of TDP (which states for thermal design and not strictly power consumption). I want to be positive about the Isaiah arrival but... real life... @DavidC1

Almost agreed . But in terms of power consumption TDP is misleading (not meaningless). See wiki or Intel’s, AMD’s processors spec. You will see different definition of TDP (which states for thermal design and not strictly power consumption).

I want to be positive about the Isaiah arrival but… real life…

]]> By: DavidC1 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2131 DavidC1 Tue, 20 May 2008 23:27:18 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2131 TDP is NOT misleading. TDP is what will be really close to when you are actually loading your CPU. If you take a Core 2 Duo mobile at 35W and run things like video editing or rendering, even games, your power consumption will go close to TDP. Do much less and your power consumption will plummet. From the link you gave it says "Normal" usage. It usually means "not doing much". Even the Core 2 Duo E8200 desktop consumes only 2.4W when idle: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/intel-wolfdale_11.html#sect0 The Isaiah 2GHz isn't even gonna be competing in UMPCs anyway. They'll have their ULV CPUs and the 1GHz version is supposed to be 3.5W so that'll go into UMPCs. Then again CPU manufacturers are notorious for their delays. We have barely seen designs on Isaiah, so will it even arrive this year at all?? TDP is NOT misleading. TDP is what will be really close to when you are actually loading your CPU. If you take a Core 2 Duo mobile at 35W and run things like video editing or rendering, even games, your power consumption will go close to TDP. Do much less and your power consumption will plummet.

From the link you gave it says “Normal” usage. It usually means “not doing much”.

Even the Core 2 Duo E8200 desktop consumes only 2.4W when idle: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/intel-wolfdale_11.html#sect0

The Isaiah 2GHz isn’t even gonna be competing in UMPCs anyway. They’ll have their ULV CPUs and the 1GHz version is supposed to be 3.5W so that’ll go into UMPCs.

Then again CPU manufacturers are notorious for their delays. We have barely seen designs on Isaiah, so will it even arrive this year at all??

]]> By: Piter http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2124 Piter Tue, 20 May 2008 22:27:42 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2124 @scoobie If you don't see the Isaiah in UMPC I won't persuade you anything ;) It seems you like Intel and I like VIA. I also admit that Atom is smaller (3 times). In case of power consumption I don't have real benchmarks (TDP is misleading). From that link http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ1MCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== we can see that the Isaiah@2GHz eats 2-5W despite 20W TDP. What about Atom I don't know anything except info from wiki 0.6 -2.5W @ 1.8 clock. But in the end Atom is ~20-25% slower than Isaiah at the same clock speed (my wish reading pre benchmarks). I choose Isaiah; you Atom. It's free world. @scoobie
If you don’t see the Isaiah in UMPC I won’t persuade you anything ;) It seems you like Intel and I like VIA. I also admit that Atom is smaller (3 times). In case of power consumption I don’t have real benchmarks (TDP is misleading). From that link http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ1MCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
we can see that the Isaiah@2GHz eats 2-5W despite 20W TDP. What about Atom I don’t know anything except info from wiki 0.6 -2.5W @ 1.8 clock. But in the end Atom is ~20-25% slower than Isaiah at the same clock speed (my wish reading pre benchmarks). I choose Isaiah; you Atom. It’s free world.

]]> By: scoobie http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2116 scoobie Tue, 20 May 2008 18:23:10 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2116 I thought Isaish isn't that small and is power hungry. Ie its not for umpcs?? I thought Isaish isn’t that small and is power hungry. Ie its not for umpcs??

]]> By: Piter http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2101 Piter Tue, 20 May 2008 12:52:37 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2101 Hey! Don't compare the Atom with the old VIA C7 (of cource you can, but C7 is from another era).VIA Isaiah has potential to do some fission reactions on Intel's Atom. But unfortunately VIA is small and doesn't have enough money for neverending advertising/lobbing/mobbing/whatever campaign. Hey! Don’t compare the Atom with the old VIA C7 (of cource you can, but C7 is from another era).VIA Isaiah has potential to do some fission reactions on Intel’s Atom. But unfortunately VIA is small and doesn’t have enough money for neverending advertising/lobbing/mobbing/whatever campaign.

]]> By: Papa Scooch http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2081 Papa Scooch Tue, 20 May 2008 06:04:52 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2081 @scoobie Don't those licensing terms apply to the low price on XP Home only? For devices with touchscreens, wouldn't XP Tablet Edition be more appropriate. All this fuss over these licensing terms and excluding touchscreens but I have yet to see anyone mention that none of these low cost laptops have included a touchscreen anyway prior to Microsoft announcing these terms. Asus set the current trend for this form factor which does not include a touchscreen and other manufacturers have followed suit. The only touchscreen I've seen on this kind of device was the one jkk at jkkmobile added to his own EEE PC. These terms apply for the low price of XP Home on low cost PCs which are in a different category than more expensive UMPCs and MIDs. UMPCs and MIDs with touchscreens would use XP Tablet Edition and, as far as I know, these licensing terms only apply to XP Home. @scoobie

Don’t those licensing terms apply to the low price on XP Home only? For devices with touchscreens, wouldn’t XP Tablet Edition be more appropriate. All this fuss over these licensing terms and excluding touchscreens but I have yet to see anyone mention that none of these low cost laptops have included a touchscreen anyway prior to Microsoft announcing these terms. Asus set the current trend for this form factor which does not include a touchscreen and other manufacturers have followed suit. The only touchscreen I’ve seen on this kind of device was the one jkk at jkkmobile added to his own EEE PC. These terms apply for the low price of XP Home on low cost PCs which are in a different category than more expensive UMPCs and MIDs. UMPCs and MIDs with touchscreens would use XP Tablet Edition and, as far as I know, these licensing terms only apply to XP Home.

]]> By: scoobie http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2063 scoobie Mon, 19 May 2008 20:33:34 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2063 @Dunstan They can't install XP - it isn't licenced for touch devices. Why on earth are we seeing devices with 1.33 ghz? When a 1.8 Ghz chip is available @Dunstan
They can’t install XP – it isn’t licenced for touch devices.

Why on earth are we seeing devices with 1.33 ghz? When a 1.8 Ghz chip is available

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]]> By: cjgunit http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2045 cjgunit Mon, 19 May 2008 13:57:32 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2045 is this with or without hyperthreading? I'm sure in real usage and not just benchmarks, the atom/poulsbo combination will beat out most of the others(celeron, c7, A110) especially in things like gaming, video viewing, and other power intensive applications. is this with or without hyperthreading? I’m sure in real usage and not just benchmarks, the atom/poulsbo combination will beat out most of the others(celeron, c7, A110) especially in things like gaming, video viewing, and other power intensive applications.

]]> By: Dunstan http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2039 Dunstan Mon, 19 May 2008 11:33:11 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/atom-based-wind-pc-gives-more-performance-datapoints/#comment-2039 I suspect, from the recent frustrating trend, that this wonderful "efficiency" will be completely lost as these companies insist on shoehorning Vista onto their machines. How does one get the message across to these dunderheads? I suspect, from the recent frustrating trend, that this wonderful “efficiency” will be completely lost as these companies insist on shoehorning Vista onto their machines.

How does one get the message across to these dunderheads?

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