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	<title>Comments on: Intel weren&#8217;t lying. The Sub 4W PC is here.</title>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-10001</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys,
Will I be able to run JavaSE fully on this device?
I know that firefox is running the applet but i just want to make sure that's all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys,<br />
Will I be able to run JavaSE fully on this device?<br />
I know that firefox is running the applet but i just want to make sure that&#8217;s all</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5320</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd probably say 2 hours (or maybe 1.5 hours) for heavy browsing over 3G. 

I wonder how long the Nokia N810, the M528's ARM-based nemesis, would last under the same test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d probably say 2 hours (or maybe 1.5 hours) for heavy browsing over 3G. </p>
<p>I wonder how long the Nokia N810, the M528&#8217;s ARM-based nemesis, would last under the same test.</p>
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		<title>By: ecsk2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ecsk2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chippy

I understand you're saying 2.5 hrs under heavy browsing, correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chippy</p>
<p>I understand you&#8217;re saying 2.5 hrs under heavy browsing, correct?</p>
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		<title>By: chippy</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5258</link>
		<dc:creator>chippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@will. 
30% CPU and streaming over Wifi. It's not the most taxing of setups but its definately not an idle test.

My advise is to assume this is a 2.5hr device. If that's not good enough and you don't want the hassle of carrying a second battery then this is not the device for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@will.<br />
30% CPU and streaming over Wifi. It&#8217;s not the most taxing of setups but its definately not an idle test.</p>
<p>My advise is to assume this is a 2.5hr device. If that&#8217;s not good enough and you don&#8217;t want the hassle of carrying a second battery then this is not the device for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gigabyte M528 MID - die Zukunft? &#187; Gigabyte &#187; Netbux</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5239</link>
		<dc:creator>Gigabyte M528 MID - die Zukunft? &#187; Gigabyte &#187; Netbux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MHz) soll dem MID genug Puste auch für längere Surf-Sessions geben. Das UMPC Portal machte heute den Selbstversuch und kam immerhin auf gute 3,5 Stunden [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MHz) soll dem MID genug Puste auch für längere Surf-Sessions geben. Das UMPC Portal machte heute den Selbstversuch und kam immerhin auf gute 3,5 Stunden [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fixup</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5238</link>
		<dc:creator>fixup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is focused on the CPU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is focused on the CPU.</p>
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		<title>By: Gigabyte M528 makes the Eee PC look fat &#124; Electricpig</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5233</link>
		<dc:creator>Gigabyte M528 makes the Eee PC look fat &#124; Electricpig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UMPCPortal managed to get its mitts on one and has been putting it though its paces. The verdict? Not too shabby. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UMPCPortal managed to get its mitts on one and has been putting it though its paces. The verdict? Not too shabby. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5229</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the screen backlight off and the CPU hardly being utilised, of course it'll last for ages. 

I want to see how long the battery lasts doing actual work, surfing the web, GPS tracking and playing videos. This is a $750 device after all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the screen backlight off and the CPU hardly being utilised, of course it&#8217;ll last for ages. </p>
<p>I want to see how long the battery lasts doing actual work, surfing the web, GPS tracking and playing videos. This is a $750 device after all!</p>
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		<title>By: chippy</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5213</link>
		<dc:creator>chippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The test started with the screen going off so thats how I left it. An estimate of 0.5W at 50% is about right. Certainly in-line with other tests i've done with LED-backlight screens at 4.8". You'll have to trust me on this one i'm afraid.
If you make your choice based on a 2.5hours in-use time with either 3G or Wifi and screen-on then I think you'll be on the safe side.

One big big advantage of the M528 is that the battery is very small, hopefully cheaper than most and weighs only 70gm. Its going to be very easy to carry a second battery.

Steve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The test started with the screen going off so thats how I left it. An estimate of 0.5W at 50% is about right. Certainly in-line with other tests i&#8217;ve done with LED-backlight screens at 4.8&#8243;. You&#8217;ll have to trust me on this one i&#8217;m afraid.<br />
If you make your choice based on a 2.5hours in-use time with either 3G or Wifi and screen-on then I think you&#8217;ll be on the safe side.</p>
<p>One big big advantage of the M528 is that the battery is very small, hopefully cheaper than most and weighs only 70gm. Its going to be very easy to carry a second battery.</p>
<p>Steve.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd be interested to see how long it lasts with the screen turned on. At this point, the screen, if it doesn't consume the most power of any element in design, is certainly one of the highest power consuming elements. You can estimate how much power the screen consumes, of course. However, since you actually have the device, it's better just to measure it.

Having the screen off is not the typical usage scenario for the M528. The 30% CPU utilization might be though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested to see how long it lasts with the screen turned on. At this point, the screen, if it doesn&#8217;t consume the most power of any element in design, is certainly one of the highest power consuming elements. You can estimate how much power the screen consumes, of course. However, since you actually have the device, it&#8217;s better just to measure it.</p>
<p>Having the screen off is not the typical usage scenario for the M528. The 30% CPU utilization might be though.</p>
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		<title>By: chippy</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5201</link>
		<dc:creator>chippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One final comment on the test - Heat.
.
.
There was none!

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One final comment on the test - Heat.<br />
.<br />
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There was none!</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: fixup</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5195</link>
		<dc:creator>fixup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three hours streaming over WiFi!

The first time I saw it, I knew this baby was the one I've been waiting for for ten years since the day with Toshiba Libretto.

cjgunit: the VIA C-7 CPU in the OQO is really low performance (and extremely hot). For example, my IBM Thinkpad X20 with a 500Hz PIII can do Firefly VOIP for G.729 codec easily, but my OQO coughs constantly. Therefore I think this Menlow should do at least better than OQO 02.

Synced: why we want a XP? because we want to run the PC software. I cannot see anytime soon an always-on PC or such an OS, or we'll no longer be able to run our current software. Therefore, we must live for another 10 years with "phone + PC". Or, something like the HTC Shift, but done right of course, i.e., the WM side would be a smartphone and as small as this M528.

I used to hate two devices, because both their batteries drain at the same time when one is used as a modem. However, now both of my devices (OQO 02 + VX6700) can go online individually, then it is no longer any hassle.

Once this M528 is available, I'll be virtually carrying one device. Beside it, I only need to carry a tiny dumb phone like the 3 oz Motor W385 just for voice and email/IM alert via free SMS. This phone is ignorable as it is so tiny and its battery last forever (it's not used as a modem). Right now the OQO is too bulky and heavy, so I cannot carry it all the time but the 6.5 oz smartphone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three hours streaming over WiFi!</p>
<p>The first time I saw it, I knew this baby was the one I&#8217;ve been waiting for for ten years since the day with Toshiba Libretto.</p>
<p>cjgunit: the VIA C-7 CPU in the OQO is really low performance (and extremely hot). For example, my IBM Thinkpad X20 with a 500Hz PIII can do Firefly VOIP for G.729 codec easily, but my OQO coughs constantly. Therefore I think this Menlow should do at least better than OQO 02.</p>
<p>Synced: why we want a XP? because we want to run the PC software. I cannot see anytime soon an always-on PC or such an OS, or we&#8217;ll no longer be able to run our current software. Therefore, we must live for another 10 years with &#8220;phone + PC&#8221;. Or, something like the HTC Shift, but done right of course, i.e., the WM side would be a smartphone and as small as this M528.</p>
<p>I used to hate two devices, because both their batteries drain at the same time when one is used as a modem. However, now both of my devices (OQO 02 + VX6700) can go online individually, then it is no longer any hassle.</p>
<p>Once this M528 is available, I&#8217;ll be virtually carrying one device. Beside it, I only need to carry a tiny dumb phone like the 3 oz Motor W385 just for voice and email/IM alert via free SMS. This phone is ignorable as it is so tiny and its battery last forever (it&#8217;s not used as a modem). Right now the OQO is too bulky and heavy, so I cannot carry it all the time but the 6.5 oz smartphone.</p>
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		<title>By: fixup</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/intel-werent-lying-the-sub-4w-pc-is-here#comment-5194</link>
		<dc:creator>fixup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three hours streaming over WiFi!

The first time I saw it, I knew this baby was the one I've been waiting for for ten years since the day with Toshiba Libretto.

cjgunit: the VIA C-7 CPU in the OQO is really low performance (and extremely hot). For example, my IBM Thinkpad X20 with a 500Hz PIII can do Firefly VOIP for G.729 codec easily, but my OQO coughs constantly. Therefore I think this Menlow should do at least better than OQO 02.

Synced: why we want a XP? because we want to run the PC software. I cannot see anytime soon an always-on PC or such an OS, or we'll no longer be able to run our current software. Therefore, we must live for another 10 years with "phone + PC". Or, something like the HTC Shift, but done right of course, i.e., the WM side would be a smartphone and as small as this M528.

I used to hate two devices, because both their batteries drain at the same time when one is used as a modem. However, now both of my devices (OQO 02 + VX6700) can go online individually, then it is no longer any hassle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three hours streaming over WiFi!</p>
<p>The first time I saw it, I knew this baby was the one I&#8217;ve been waiting for for ten years since the day with Toshiba Libretto.</p>
<p>cjgunit: the VIA C-7 CPU in the OQO is really low performance (and extremely hot). For example, my IBM Thinkpad X20 with a 500Hz PIII can do Firefly VOIP for G.729 codec easily, but my OQO coughs constantly. Therefore I think this Menlow should do at least better than OQO 02.</p>
<p>Synced: why we want a XP? because we want to run the PC software. I cannot see anytime soon an always-on PC or such an OS, or we&#8217;ll no longer be able to run our current software. Therefore, we must live for another 10 years with &#8220;phone + PC&#8221;. Or, something like the HTC Shift, but done right of course, i.e., the WM side would be a smartphone and as small as this M528.</p>
<p>I used to hate two devices, because both their batteries drain at the same time when one is used as a modem. However, now both of my devices (OQO 02 + VX6700) can go online individually, then it is no longer any hassle.</p>
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		<title>By: Synced</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synced</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So lets take this for what its worth. It is a great advancement bringing UMPC's closer to Smart Phones however lets read into it the truth.

the best battery-wise UMPC is getting quite close to the worst Smart Phones battery wise. Let's please keep this in perspective.

I applaud the work though. I cannot wait until they achieve the next generation or two of this venture. Then we will start talking about replacing Smart Phones and putting phone software on UMPC's. 

Atleast that is when the company I work for is starting to do so.

The problem with the PC is to get really good stand-by time you need to suspend/sleep Windows. This means apps won't be responding. In a Smart Phone even when you click the off button, it's really not off. The cpu is scaled down. WAY down. but things are still processing at a crawl pace. But that means GREAT power savnigs &#38; things still operate.

For example, On a Windows Mobile device, we typically leave Edge &#38; 3G on the entire day. It can last from 9am-12pm in standby still receiving emails, calls etc.

Once you start interacting with it more, it drains more obviously.

Hopefully Intel &#38; Microsoft can start to come together on equipping the full version of Windows with the same sort of architecture. 

At that point companies like ours can start to stock phone drivers, software, etc because the device can be "off" but still active in your pocket throughout the day like a phone is today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So lets take this for what its worth. It is a great advancement bringing UMPC&#8217;s closer to Smart Phones however lets read into it the truth.</p>
<p>the best battery-wise UMPC is getting quite close to the worst Smart Phones battery wise. Let&#8217;s please keep this in perspective.</p>
<p>I applaud the work though. I cannot wait until they achieve the next generation or two of this venture. Then we will start talking about replacing Smart Phones and putting phone software on UMPC&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Atleast that is when the company I work for is starting to do so.</p>
<p>The problem with the PC is to get really good stand-by time you need to suspend/sleep Windows. This means apps won&#8217;t be responding. In a Smart Phone even when you click the off button, it&#8217;s really not off. The cpu is scaled down. WAY down. but things are still processing at a crawl pace. But that means GREAT power savnigs &amp; things still operate.</p>
<p>For example, On a Windows Mobile device, we typically leave Edge &amp; 3G on the entire day. It can last from 9am-12pm in standby still receiving emails, calls etc.</p>
<p>Once you start interacting with it more, it drains more obviously.</p>
<p>Hopefully Intel &amp; Microsoft can start to come together on equipping the full version of Windows with the same sort of architecture. </p>
<p>At that point companies like ours can start to stock phone drivers, software, etc because the device can be &#8220;off&#8221; but still active in your pocket throughout the day like a phone is today.</p>
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		<title>By: Vit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it had phone functions, I wouldn't think twice!</description>
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