[...] na Telecom Italia Mobile gosta de MIDs. Depois do Benq S6, como já reportamos aqui, o UMPCPortal nota (via Pocketables) o Itelco [...]

Steve

just surprising if the MID will come with an OS that is not only limited to italian language and if some german kiddies travelling to italia to get one – like they did to catch an unlocked iphone *giggles*

Suggesting this isn’t out yet.

449 is not bad…the m528 is currently listed for 725 euros, not to mention the Aigo MID without 3G…

Either way in my perspective I could care less HOW/WHAT the tech solution is as long as it works, and in this case it does! So if that would mean for me as a consumer that I’d need to install a 3rd party sw in my main computer for it to serve as such a proxy for a MID or other type of devices that’s fine with me..although I see this topic very quickly going back to my idea of future mobile computing, that is “in the cloud” and your mobile device is nothing more than a “dummy terminal” of the 80′s only a lot smarter with basic functions/readers etc in the bios.

anyways, i suspect that sidekick is doing is running everything via a server at t-mobile or danger.

as in, rather then going like this:

sidekick -> umpcportal.com

its goes:

sidekick -> server at t-mobile -> umpcportal.com

where the server keeps track of the page, chews it before passing it on to sidekick and so on.

same thing with IM:

sidekick -> t-mobile server -> MSN/AIM/YM

that way, the front end on the phone can sleep, while the server watches for changes, and can instantly relay the status back to the phone when the user wakes it up, or something happens that needed the users attention.

its the same thing that apple wants third party apps to do.

on the other hand, a mid do not have said server to track the data. it has to do so itself. and this makes it use both more cpu and more radio. both resulting in more battery drain.

“as for “they”, im thinking about im protocols. most who are from the early 90’s, at least.”
OK it’s bit hard to follow when you type out “I’m” (I am) and “IM” all as “im” not sure when you’re talking about what? Another thing the Sidekick by the way fixes automatically anyhow, regardless of what you were talking about, if you’re saying this is not the most efficient solution it only goes to prove my point that a device CAN TODAY survive all day with constant data running. The whole point that Steve was trying to point out isn’t happening. I say yes it’s NOT common but it is being done!

“and inefficient use is exactly what makes all day battery troublesome. as long as its the phone or other device that needs to be the active party, its wasting battery life”

Well that’s just my point the device I am talking about, is by your definition (I’m not disputing that) INefficient yet I use it successfully every day for AT LEAST 12 hour straight, as at this given moment the device is in front of me and I’ve had plenty of data communication and is showing ALL FIVE bars still after SEVEN HOURS of constantly being on, in fact the screen can’t be completely turned off as say on the iPhone even, it will only lock up and go a bit dimmer but never shut off completely.

“with the normal phone protocols, the phone itself is idle most of the time, except to answer when the base station ask.”

Very true but NOT the case with the Sidekicks, which makes them very unique (afaik). I have yet to see a phone that is able to run this amount of hours and keep IMs and other data OPEN constantly.

“each thing the phone has to be the active party in, will cause added battery drain. not just from the radio, but from the cpu as well as it gets not chance to sleep.”

I know I spent around a decade in the production of GSM devices in the dawn of the GSM devices got trained on the subject by both the “Big N” and the “Big E” of the time

“think of it as either having to be the hyperactive kid going “are we there yet” or the one just sleeping in back seat until a parent finds reason to wake him.”

That is how ONE AND THE SAME smartphones work 99.9% of the time, take any WM phone or Symbian with either Skype or 3rd party IM SW installed or/and a GPS receiver and that’s what you will get “ALL OR NOTHING” meaning all the action and after a while it’s dead. Or its in some type of standby like a WM phone when you have a browser and you stop surfing, it typically will cut off radio thereby taking its fair amount of time to get back ONLINE. Not the case with the Sidekicks.

Either way this topic should be for MIDs not smartphones I steered it in the battery time direction as I strongly disagree that technology isn’t out there to enable FULL DAY DATA communication!

as for “they”, im thinking about im protocols. most who are from the early 90′s, at least.

and inefficient use is exactly what makes all day battery troublesome. as long as its the phone or other device that needs to be the active party, its wasting battery life.

with the normal phone protocols, the phone itself is idle most of the time, except to answer when the base station ask.

each thing the phone has to be the active party in, will cause added battery drain. not just from the radio, but from the cpu as well as it gets not chance to sleep.

think of it as either having to be the hyperactive kid going “are we there yet” or the one just sleeping in back seat until a parent finds reason to wake him.

True but how is this related to BATTERY TIME?

“this results in a whole lot of wasted cpu and radio use as the client has to go “anything new?” just to have the server go “nope, check back later”.”

Even though this might not be the most efficient use, it in essence only proves my argument on the TOPIC AT HAND just even more, that is full day battery time can go hand in hand with constant live data. Right?

“the reason for this? they are from a age where the only internet connection was a hardwired one.”

I am not sure who “they” are and what you exactly mean by “hardwired” but surely there was wireless internet in 2000 when Danger was founded not to mention in 2002 when the first Sidekick was released (it in itself was using wireless internet!? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/09/30/BU202936.DTL&type=tech

“also, part of the energy efficiency of gsm/edge is the frequency bands used. in europe, its 900Mhz or 1800Mhz, umts/hspa works on 2100Mhz.”

In Europe yes but most Sidekicks are used in NA hence depending upon the model they will be 1900Mhz exclusively or with 850 or 900 it is only the latest generation that is actually 850/900/1800/1900 Mhz. but no umts/hsdpa

“umts can work on gsm bands, but as the protocols behave differently, they cant share a channel.”

Naturally but switching between various forms of wireless communications can be made very seamless just as it is done on the iPhone between WLAN and WWAN (I have yet to see a device with smoother switching between the two!)

that is, something where one can grab the terminal, open up a list of point types, and have the gps and net connection work with each other to find the closest ones.

not going to google maps on the web, but bringing the same data as google maps can provide, to the phone, in a format that makes it easy to use, with the phone interface. i dont find designed for desktop web pages easy to use on the go, even with a touch screen. and no, the famous zoom of the iphone would not help here, as a map is not organized in columns…