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I have a 7-year old and a 9-year old. One of you stop replying?

Back to the Snapdragon…

Anyone know of a comparison chart that looks at the two chips (Tegra & Snapdragon) while comparing/contrasting the two?

Thanks…

Australia is a rather small and corrupted market, just as itwire is a corrupted media who has a definite pro Wintel agenda.

Please continue to ignore the facts. Ignorance is bliss right?

Your allegations of ITWire are serious with NOTHING to back it up. Please post links which show how they are “owned” by the Wintel empire. Also note that ITWire simply reported what Asus, Acer, Dell and Toshiba said about netbook sales. How is that biased?

Also “When next year, the bulk of laptops sold on worldwide consumer markets will be sold at below $200″. Care to back this up with a link?

“Many of the things that connect to the ARM processor can be much lighter and much optimized”. Care to back this up with a link? Please list these “many things” and how significant they are based to other power hungry devices on a netbook such as the WiFi/3G radio or LCD.

“It’s a fact that ARM uses 5 times less power then X86.” Snapdragon at 1.5GHz uses 5x less power than Menlow? Care to back this up with a link?

“It’s also a fact that keeping the same sized battery to power an ARM laptop, you can achieve 5 times longer battery life within the same form factor and the same size and weight”. Again care to back this up with a link or are you again speculating and making it up?

In case you missed it, QUALCOMM HAS ALREADY BUILT A 9″ NETBOOK USING SNAPDRAGON BUT IT ONLY GETS 4-6 HOURS. That is only slighter better (if not on par) with current Atom-based netbooks.

And no, I don’t work for Microsoft or Intel.

A little more then a year ago, there was 0% shipped Linux Laptops worldwide. Now, today, more than 3 million laptops have been shipped worldwide with pre-installed Linux to consumers and to normal people not geeks.

Itwire is well known to be “owned” by the Wintel empire. All the FUD against Linux, against the OLPC originates from there. 90% of new sales does not make for 90% of the whole netbook market. Of overall shipped Intel Atom powered netbooks, closer to 30% are today running Linux then to 10%. September to December are the well known months where big manufacturers use all kinds of marketing techniques to achieve the biggest sales and all the while trying to keep the biggest profit margins. Selling mid-range hard drive based netbooks running Windows XP provides manufacturers with more of that much needed profit margin. So Acer, Asus, HP and the other netbook makers prefer selling mid-range models then the cheapest ones. This has got nothing to do with any type of failure of Linux.

Going from nothing to 3 million shipped Linux laptops in a year is a huge change for Linux, and you can be sure that Microsoft employees are bracing themselves for their X86 OS anihiliation. They know Vista is no good, they are desperately going to try to make a lighter version of the next Microsoft OS that may fit on cheap laptops. But really, what would be the point. When next year, the bulk of laptops sold on worldwide consumer markets will be sold at below $200, what really is there for Microsoft to charge in licensing fees within that?

Many of the things that connect to the ARM processor can be much lighter and much optimized. Using ARM instead of X86 not only makes you save money on the processor, you same on the whole motherboard architechture which is much lighter, you save on all modules being much better optimized and actually even embedded in the SoC. It’s a fact that ARM uses 5 times less power then X86. It’s also a fact that keeping the same sized battery to power an ARM laptop, you can achieve 5 times longer battery life within the same form factor and the same size and weight.

Windows and Intel are dead, long live ARM and Linux, and you know it.

Today, Linux is NOT pre-installed in 30% of shipped netbooks. That was the figure in October. In December, NOW, the figure is closer to 10%. Considering that 12 months ago, 100% of netbooks were shipping with Linux (before Microsoft introduced its OLCPC initiative), this is a huge drop. Take a look at: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22362/53/

First generation Linux? Huh? Linux distributions specifically targeted at the desktop have been around for years and they’re not going to dramatically change in a matter of months. Netbook manufacturers did not produce their own Linux distribution. Acer uses Linpus. Asus uses Xandros. HP uses SUSE. Please link the article which shows that netbooks manufacturers will be presenting an overhauled Linux distribution in CES 2009.

BTW, people also said a decade ago that Linux would obliterate Windows on the desktop. Hasn’t happened.

Just because manufacturers will be presenting devices and concepts at tradeshows like CES does not mean that it will be successful or even make it to the market.

Asus and other PC motherboard manufacturers are not pre-installing ARM Linux on their motherboards. They’re installing a customised versions of Splashtop, which uses x86 Linux. Splashtop is not meant to be used as a fully-featured OS, only for quick access to email and basic web browsing.

As far as I know, only Dell are using an ARM-based “instant-on” Linux on a few of their laptops. It is even more limited than Splashtop and a more expensive solution as you need to integrate an ARM SoC on the MB!

ARM-based netbooks won’t be significantly cheaper than their Atom-based counterparts. ARM-based netbooks will still need the same screen, memory, storage, power, keyboard, trackpad, batteries, etc as their x86 counterparts. The only significant difference is the Atom CPU and NB/SB chipsets vs ARM SoC and Intel are very aggressively pricing the Atom/945GSE combo.

“ARM Linux laptops have over 15 hours of battery life”.. um no. Read Chippy’s article above. An ARM-based netbook with the same form-factor as today’s Atom-based netbooks will not get you 15 hours of web surfing, watching videos, etc.

Qualcomm’s concept 9″ tablet netbook, which they have been showing off, gets 4 to 6 hours. See:
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-Design,review-1177-2.html
Not exactly groundbreaking.

Steve

In 2007, Linux was pre-installed in close to 0% of shipped laptops to consumer markets worldwide. Today, Linux is pre-installed in close to 30% of shipped netbooks. Going from 0 to 30% in the matter of months is a huge revolution in terms of mass market adoption of Linux. And as I told you, this is with whatever first generation Linux that Acer, Asus and the other ones were able to prepare in just months. The netbook makers are presenting new generations of netbook Linux implementations at CES.

It’s a fact that Asus and other motherboard makers are going to pre-install ARM Linux on basically all of their motherboards, including close to 100% of all laptops that are going to be shipped.

At CES, several ARM Linux laptops are also going to be presented for the first time ever. Don’t be surprised if ARM Linux Laptops quickly take huge market shares worldwide in the consumer markets. For a few very basic and obvious reasons: ARM Linux laptops cost below $200, people care about cheaper laptops. ARM Linux laptops have over 15 hours of battery life, people care about battery. ARM Linux laptops are more compact and lighter at the same screen sizes.

As for Android support, even people on the ArchosFans forums are skeptical. You should know, you started the thread! Even so, the number of people developing for Android is very small compared to the number of people developing for the iPhone/iPod Touch.

Linux in netbooks is increasing? Um… come again? That is not what the numbers say. It started off at 100% and in a matter of MONTHS, has dropped to 10%. In an article by iTWire released yesterday, Acer said “Windows XP netbooks are outselling Linux machines by more than 9 to 1″.

Toshiba similarly said that Windows accounts for 92% of their netbook sales.

Acer also found out that “The Linux netbooks sell particularly to hardcore Linux users who want to customise their system”. This confirms by belief that mainstream consumers want Windows.

In November, Carphone Warehouse stopped selling Linux netbooks as return rates “went through the roof.”

In October, MSI said “The return rate is at least four times higher for Linux netbooks than Windows XP netbooks.”

Sorry but Linux is losing the netbook battle. Unless ARM-based netbooks (which won’t be able to run Windows XP) have something truly exceptional and unique, I predict that their netbook marketshare will be minimal at best.

Linux in consumer laptops is definitely increasing, not the other way around. Just a yaer ago, nobody would have thought that in just a year over 5 million laptops worlwide sold to consumers would come with pre-installed Linux. Some analysis are saying that within a year from now, 97% of all commercially shipped consumer laptops will have pre-installed ARM Linux built right into the motherboard, thus providing a free jnstant on Linux OS for browsing, and other basic apps which 97% of consumers use 97% of the time. I can guarantee you that Windows is going away. Even if Microsoft made Windows XP free and open-source tomorrow, they wouldn’t have a chance.

Over 5000 applications are available today for ARM Linux, and that’s before it even really has been launched as a mass consumer product yet.

As for VoIP, I’d like to see you ditch your cellphone for a Archos 5G or any other data-only WAN-capable MID running VoIP software. Enough said.

Considering that netbooks started at 100% Linux and within a year has dropped to 30%, I’m pretty confident that most consumers don’t want Linux. They have shown that they are willing to either pay slightly more or get slightly inferior hardware (ie smaller SSD storage like on the EeePCs) so they can have Win XP.

Consumers want something they are familiar with. Can Linux easily run iTunes? What about Word? Excel? What about games?

The latest Ubuntu distribution has not been ported to ARM. Nokia was sponsoring a project months ago to port an old version but nothing much else has happened. With Maemo 5 around the corner, Nokia has other more important things to worry about.

Debian’s ARM port only supports a small handful of devices and they currently don’t include TI’s OMAP2, OMAP3, Qualcomm’s current ARM11-based or Snapdragon platforms. You can’t just build an ARM distribution that will work on all ARM-based platforms. This isn’t like the x86 PC platform.

Additionally the number of Debian ARM packages pales in comparison to Debian x86 packages. Developers who put together DEB packages generally always have an x86 binary but rarely ARM versions.

Before the cheap laptop revolution that was started by OLPC, Linux was in less than 1% of commercially shipped computers for the consumer market. Now with the first generation of Netbooks, which are anti-OLPC answers to the OLPC movement, suddently, overnight, now over 30% of shipped netbooks are Linux based. That is the first Linux generation that Acer and Asus and the others could figure out to make quickly by their contractors within months. Cause the move to netbooks was extremely quick. Now Acer, Asus and the others are preparing their next generations of Linux implementations, those are better optimized, have more customizable apps and they also will look more like Windows OS. It’s not like Microsoft can patent the look and feel of Windows, put a start button in the bottom right of the screen to list available applications, use an x at the top right of windows to close them, it’s not that complicated and it’s not patentable.

ARM Linux has more than 5000 available applications today, there is everything and anything you need. Google and others can probably quickly fund video editing, music making and other specific advanced types of applications that some people still think is missing for Linux. This will be fixed in months. It’s only been months now that manufacturers have been pre-installing Linux on netbooks shipped to mass market consumers. ARM Linux looks and feels exactly the same as X86 Linux. If not that the ARM Linux is even slightly faster, smoother and easier to use. The full Ubuntu and Debian Linux are available for ARM.

HTC showed that they can squeeze a 3.8″ 800×480 screen into a device the size of an iPhone 3G. I would like to see Apple (or a WinMo OEM) create a Snapdragon or OMAP3 smartphone with a slightly larger 4″ screen and a much larger 2000+ mAH battery. It’ll be slightly larger and thicker than the HTC Touch HD/iPhone 3G but should still be quite pocketable.

“people don’t care much about Windows anymore”… you’ve got to be kidding right? I’d bet good money that the majority of potential netbook customers would prefer to get a device with Windows XP, even if it meant spending an extra $20-$30. Two friends of mine who recently went looking for a netbook said they wanted a system with WinXP not Linux. I am considering purchasing an EeePC 901 with XP as well. People want a familiar interface and the ability to easily install almost any software they want.

Linux does poorly in the consumer market as no two Linux distributions are the same. UIs, application packages, basic apps, etc are all vastly different and with no dominant distribution, I doubt they will converge to use the same standards anytime soon. For once, choice is not a good thing and is IMO seriously holding back Linux for the desktop.

Additionally, development for ARM Linux pales in comparison to x86 Linux. Linux for ARM devices have been focused on embedded systems, not consumer-friendly products.