Comments on: Omnia HD. MID, Smartphone and The End Of The Tweener. http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/ portable pc, mobile computer, pocket pc and handheld computing Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:29:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Omnia HD a phone, or MID (mobile internet device) | HDomnia.com http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-22489 Omnia HD a phone, or MID (mobile internet device) | HDomnia.com Fri, 22 May 2009 22:26:47 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-22489 [...] UMPCportal has done the math on this in a recent article. They Report: [...]

[...] UMPCportal has done the math on this in a recent article. They Report: [...]

]]> By: Chippy http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21746 Chippy Tue, 05 May 2009 18:23:15 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21746 There are many many people out there that would take a single device and a hit in quality just to have it with them all the time. Only 1 year ago I was recording BBC on a Mythtv at 320x240, 700kbps so that it worked on all my devices. There are many many people out there that would take a single device and a hit in quality just to have it with them all the time. Only 1 year ago I was recording BBC on a Mythtv at 320×240, 700kbps so that it worked on all my devices.

]]> By: EC http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21741 EC Tue, 05 May 2009 16:21:33 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21741 You know it's actually NOT only about resolution. When the iPhone came out with it's HVGA 480x320 I was seriously criticizing it for that http://www.iphonefaq.org/forum/iphone-screen-resolution-t36.0.html but frankly the iPhone does just well with multimedia and online browsing, not even among critics is the iPhone/iPod touch resolution criticized much after it came out, since Apple did somehow really make it work very nicely with such low resolution. 640×360 isn't too bad and 3.7" is among the larger ones for a device like this, in fact I believe it's the largest touch display phone out there. I'm sure OLED will do it's part also in making the experience only a pleasant one. Here compared to other similar devices: http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-OMNIA-HD-i8910-Review-review-r_2148.html You know it’s actually NOT only about resolution. When the iPhone came out with it’s HVGA 480×320 I was seriously criticizing it for that
http://www.iphonefaq.org/forum/iphone-screen-resolution-t36.0.html but frankly the iPhone does just well with multimedia and online browsing, not even among critics is the iPhone/iPod touch resolution criticized much after it came out, since Apple did somehow really make it work very nicely with such low resolution.

640×360 isn’t too bad and 3.7″ is among the larger ones for a device like this, in fact I believe it’s the largest touch display phone out there. I’m sure OLED will do it’s part also in making the experience only a pleasant one.

Here compared to other similar devices:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-OMNIA-HD-i8910-Review-review-r_2148.html

]]> By: Velik Vanderstrife http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21739 Velik Vanderstrife Tue, 05 May 2009 15:56:55 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21739 "Power VR SGX" This probably doesnt mean much to other ppl, but Im a game developer, and I saw this and nearly passed out. If this thing actually support hardware & dx 10.1, I can actually develop on it when i have downtime away from my main dev pc. I read the specs about it here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Series5_.28SGX.29]. Im talking about the viliv devices of course. Still waiting on detail / release date for the S7 :( “Power VR SGX”

This probably doesnt mean much to other ppl, but Im a game developer, and I saw this and nearly passed out. If this thing actually support hardware & dx 10.1, I can actually develop on it when i have downtime away from my main dev pc. I read the specs about it here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Series5_.28SGX.29]. Im talking about the viliv devices of course. Still waiting on detail / release date for the S7 :(

]]> By: Charbax http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21737 Charbax Tue, 05 May 2009 12:46:06 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21737 Archos 6th Generation is by far the best Internet Media Tablet, PMP, MID, smart device, whatever you want to call it. The Archos 5 60GB can be gotten for 250€ on preissuchmachine.de or for $299 on froogle.com. By far you won't find such 800x480 4.8" bright glossy touchscreen device, so compact, with such fastest ARM processor ever released, 6 months out, still the only commercial product with the latest generation ARM superscalar ARM Cortex technology which loads certain websites faster even than Intel Atom products. The only pocketable device that outputs 720p DivX and WMV to your HDTV with HDMI, the only pocketable device with pocketable DVB-T tuners, full EPG for Tivo like recording, Ogg, Flac and all major codecs supported, up to 7 hours of battery life for video playback, full Youtube type full screen Flash 9 video support, full AJAX support, and I could go on. UMPCman is a UMPC fanboy obviously. I guess he doesn't like the idea that a small french company like Archos can come in and prove to the world that the future of ultra mobile is ARM and embedded Linux based and not based on Microsoft and Intel. Archos 6th Generation is by far the best Internet Media Tablet, PMP, MID, smart device, whatever you want to call it. The Archos 5 60GB can be gotten for 250€ on preissuchmachine.de or for $299 on froogle.com. By far you won’t find such 800×480 4.8″ bright glossy touchscreen device, so compact, with such fastest ARM processor ever released, 6 months out, still the only commercial product with the latest generation ARM superscalar ARM Cortex technology which loads certain websites faster even than Intel Atom products. The only pocketable device that outputs 720p DivX and WMV to your HDTV with HDMI, the only pocketable device with pocketable DVB-T tuners, full EPG for Tivo like recording, Ogg, Flac and all major codecs supported, up to 7 hours of battery life for video playback, full Youtube type full screen Flash 9 video support, full AJAX support, and I could go on.

UMPCman is a UMPC fanboy obviously. I guess he doesn’t like the idea that a small french company like Archos can come in and prove to the world that the future of ultra mobile is ARM and embedded Linux based and not based on Microsoft and Intel.

]]> By: Charbax http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21736 Charbax Tue, 05 May 2009 12:37:33 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21736 Appart from the USB HSDPA support, the Archos 5 is fulfilling all promises there were on software. Android will fix that demand for third party applications and should also add such things as telephony and some other smartphone-oriented hardware features like I think Bluetooth, a built in GPS and an electronic compass and tilt measurer. My http://forum.archosfans.com is mostly used by the % of users who have problems, but if you check the polls, most users like their Archos 5 Yes 59% No 29% Undecided 11% And most people like their 605 as well: Yes 70% No 16% Undecided 13% With 3 times as many votes on the 605 WiFi since it was released a year earlier. Also consider again, people that are satisfied with their Archos are less likely to spend time on the "Archos support" internet forums, thus less likely to vote there. Appart from the USB HSDPA support, the Archos 5 is fulfilling all promises there were on software.

Android will fix that demand for third party applications and should also add such things as telephony and some other smartphone-oriented hardware features like I think Bluetooth, a built in GPS and an electronic compass and tilt measurer.

My http://forum.archosfans.com is mostly used by the % of users who have problems, but if you check the polls, most users like their Archos 5
Yes 59%
No 29%
Undecided 11%
And most people like their 605 as well:
Yes 70%
No 16%
Undecided 13%
With 3 times as many votes on the 605 WiFi since it was released a year earlier. Also consider again, people that are satisfied with their Archos are less likely to spend time on the “Archos support” internet forums, thus less likely to vote there.

]]> By: Charbax http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21735 Charbax Tue, 05 May 2009 12:31:19 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21735 OLED is especially supposed to be much better than LCD for outside use. Unless you use the 3Qi Pixel Qi technology for LCD screens or one of these other refracting LCD screen technologies, but they are then much less glimmering than standard LCD screens when used indoors. I tried this Symbian on the Omnia HD at CeBIT, I thought it extremely sucked. It's just like the Nokia N97, pure suckage. OLED is especially supposed to be much better than LCD for outside use. Unless you use the 3Qi Pixel Qi technology for LCD screens or one of these other refracting LCD screen technologies, but they are then much less glimmering than standard LCD screens when used indoors.

I tried this Symbian on the Omnia HD at CeBIT, I thought it extremely sucked. It’s just like the Nokia N97, pure suckage.

]]> By: Sokonomi http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21732 Sokonomi Tue, 05 May 2009 11:58:24 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21732 A device with that kind of resolution, good for multimedia.. really? You cant honestly browse the internet with that, I cant even imagine how youd even give websites input on a screen that small, and HD video is utterly futile unless you have a TV nearby to plug it in. Sure, devices like this have thier own perks, but Id say things like the omnia are miles away from a classic MID. A device with that kind of resolution, good for multimedia.. really?
You cant honestly browse the internet with that, I cant even imagine how youd even give websites input on a screen that small, and HD video is utterly futile unless you have a TV nearby to plug it in.

Sure, devices like this have thier own perks, but Id say things like the omnia are miles away from a classic MID.

]]> By: AEK http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21728 AEK Tue, 05 May 2009 10:15:06 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21728 Charbax is blind to any device except Archos so his opinions are worthless. Reading his fanboy site will quickly fill you in to his agenda. Charbax is blind to any device except Archos so his opinions are worthless. Reading his fanboy site will quickly fill you in to his agenda.

]]> By: Chippy http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21722 Chippy Tue, 05 May 2009 08:16:15 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21722 Just to make it a bit clearer for people, the core of the article is to highlight how close the smartphpone PLATFORMS are to the Intel MID platforms and that they are only a re-design away from devices we see in the MID category. Having said that, people looking at an Archos or Viliv for media capabilities will definately want to look more closely at the Omnia HD as a converged solution, even if it isn't a classic (whatever that is!) MID. Steve Just to make it a bit clearer for people, the core of the article is to highlight how close the smartphpone PLATFORMS are to the Intel MID platforms and that they are only a re-design away from devices we see in the MID category.

Having said that, people looking at an Archos or Viliv for media capabilities will definately want to look more closely at the Omnia HD as a converged solution, even if it isn’t a classic (whatever that is!) MID.

Steve

]]> By: Chippy http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21721 Chippy Tue, 05 May 2009 08:12:39 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21721 Omnia HD's achilles heal is the OLED screen. Not useable outside so hardly the highlight of the device. Omnia HD uses omap 3 which is the same as the Archos right? Therefore, 720p, should be fine. As for OS, have you tried this version of Symbian on this hardware platform yet? Omnia HD’s achilles heal is the OLED screen. Not useable outside so hardly the highlight of the device.

Omnia HD uses omap 3 which is the same as the Archos right? Therefore, 720p, should be fine.

As for OS, have you tried this version of Symbian on this hardware platform yet?

]]> By: Chippy http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21720 Chippy Tue, 05 May 2009 08:02:35 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21720 Yes but even OLED screens can take a lot of power (when using white/bright colors) so battery management is a problem. Also, the frame for the fold would have to be extremely well engineered. I think this WILL happen but if will take a few years and still be expensive limiting them to business users. Yes but even OLED screens can take a lot of power (when using white/bright colors) so battery management is a problem.
Also, the frame for the fold would have to be extremely well engineered.
I think this WILL happen but if will take a few years and still be expensive limiting them to business users.

]]> By: EC http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21713 EC Tue, 05 May 2009 02:59:41 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21713 Once again the attention is put on terms, rather than functions. Please try to focus on what a device can do rather than by force trying to fit it into a category. David, may I ask you what kind of computing are you looking to do while you are on the go? Once again the attention is put on terms, rather than functions.

Please try to focus on what a device can do rather than by force trying to fit it into a category.

David, may I ask you what kind of computing are you looking to do while you are on the go?

]]> By: UMPCman http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21709 UMPCman Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:19 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21709 Sure, as opposed to the Archos device, designed to suck money out of people for a device that falls apart after 3 months of use, is not supported by the manufacturer, does not fulfill promises about software, and ends software development and firmware upgrades within less than a year of product release. Sure, as opposed to the Archos device, designed to suck money out of people for a device that falls apart after 3 months of use, is not supported by the manufacturer, does not fulfill promises about software, and ends software development and firmware upgrades within less than a year of product release.

]]> By: UMPCman http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/omnia-hd-mid-smartphone-and-the-end-of-the-tweener/#comment-21708 UMPCman Tue, 05 May 2009 02:51:03 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=7169#comment-21708 Oh, seriously, what are the chances that Archos will get Android right first time out. They can't even get their 6th generation device right. Zero. Don't believe me? Go to Charbax's Archosfans forums, and see all the love. Oh, seriously, what are the chances that Archos will get Android right first time out. They can’t even get their 6th generation device right. Zero. Don’t believe me? Go to Charbax’s Archosfans forums, and see all the love.

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