Comments on: Origamiproject.com – Closed. BuildYourUMPC – Closing. http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/ portable pc, mobile computer, pocket pc and handheld computing Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:29:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Vakeros http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-22129 Vakeros Mon, 11 May 2009 17:48:36 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-22129 Point well made. There are very few new UMPCs. However I think the UMID is one. EC seems to think a UMPC is a PMP or MID or Phone. Yet it can be all these things, but at the heart it is a replacement for your laptop as you say "in your pocket". It doesn't have to have a laptop design, but needs to be able to do all a laptop can (though acceptably slower for somethings.) Point well made.
There are very few new UMPCs. However I think the UMID is one. EC seems to think a UMPC is a PMP or MID or Phone. Yet it can be all these things, but at the heart it is a replacement for your laptop as you say “in your pocket”.
It doesn’t have to have a laptop design, but needs to be able to do all a laptop can (though acceptably slower for somethings.)

]]> By: Vakeros http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-22128 Vakeros Mon, 11 May 2009 17:44:35 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-22128 Hi EC, The internet can inform or mislead. The Psion wasn't only a PDA. I appreciate the link to wikipedia. What differentiates a PDA from a PC? A PC is programmable. It had its own OS. So regardless of what the internet link says, you need to decide on definitio first. Secondly, most smartphones (and I own one with a keyboard.) can do everything a PDA could. We are in complete agreement with each other. Thirdly, I understand Al's (primaz or whatever his name is at the moment) frustration in corresponding with you. I am not stating, and never have, that you need a QWERTY keyboard for a mobile device. There are millions of devices without keyboards and people use them and love them. If you have the right UI you can get away without one for MOST uses. The keyword here, which you don't seem to have understood is MOST! I will get another smartphone because it is very useful for me. I might even get one without a keyboard. But the key thing about a UMPC is the need for a decent keyboard. Yes, you want to be able to use it for SOME of its use without needing to put it down on something first. The key point however is, when I need to be able to type, I am willing to put it down on a coffee table next to my cup of coffee at Starbucks, (or wherever) and type more than a tiny amount of information. This is still ON THE GO, because I am not in my office. I might well be at someone else's office, or I could be in the woods and use a convenient log. I might be halfway up a mountain and want to write a poem. THEN I want a keyboard. OQO sold itself as a UMPC. This means that meeting only MOST of requirements wasn't good enough for the cost required. It needs to meet ALL. Until alternative methods of input supplant typing, for documents, spreadsheets etc. I cannot use a UMPC as it doesn't have a decent enough keyboard. Therefore as Al puts it, it is doomed to fail. A MID isn't the same as a UMPC, in that the usage requirement is less stringent. It is a Mobile Internet Device, not a PC in the Pocket, which a UMPC is. Hi EC,
The internet can inform or mislead. The Psion wasn’t only a PDA. I appreciate the link to wikipedia. What differentiates a PDA from a PC? A PC is programmable. It had its own OS. So regardless of what the internet link says, you need to decide on definitio first.
Secondly, most smartphones (and I own one with a keyboard.) can do everything a PDA could. We are in complete agreement with each other.
Thirdly, I understand Al’s (primaz or whatever his name is at the moment) frustration in corresponding with you. I am not stating, and never have, that you need a QWERTY keyboard for a mobile device. There are millions of devices without keyboards and people use them and love them. If you have the right UI you can get away without one for MOST uses. The keyword here, which you don’t seem to have understood is MOST! I will get another smartphone because it is very useful for me. I might even get one without a keyboard. But the key thing about a UMPC is the need for a decent keyboard. Yes, you want to be able to use it for SOME of its use without needing to put it down on something first.
The key point however is, when I need to be able to type, I am willing to put it down on a coffee table next to my cup of coffee at Starbucks, (or wherever) and type more than a tiny amount of information. This is still ON THE GO, because I am not in my office. I might well be at someone else’s office, or I could be in the woods and use a convenient log. I might be halfway up a mountain and want to write a poem. THEN I want a keyboard. OQO sold itself as a UMPC. This means that meeting only MOST of requirements wasn’t good enough for the cost required. It needs to meet ALL. Until alternative methods of input supplant typing, for documents, spreadsheets etc. I cannot use a UMPC as it doesn’t have a decent enough keyboard. Therefore as Al puts it, it is doomed to fail. A MID isn’t the same as a UMPC, in that the usage requirement is less stringent. It is a Mobile Internet Device, not a PC in the Pocket, which a UMPC is.

]]> By: Vakeros http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-22126 Vakeros Mon, 11 May 2009 17:26:51 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-22126 EC, Are you making up new definitions? Psion was a PDA and more! It never was a laptop, you don't need a lap, nor do you need a tabletop as you state. I think a term often used was palmtop because you hold it in the palm of one hand and use the other, It was also an ON THE GO device as you put it with instant-on. Not the boot-up times required of a notebook et al. With the Psion (and I'm sure people might add other devices/designs) you can use it in the hand when on the GO. Or put on a table, or the armrest of the chair. The form factor wasn't the limiting factor, rather the software and how you used it. It wasn't a PMP - it was an early UMPC. You could also send faxes, print, use IR etc. UMPCs are so called because it means Ultra Mobile Personal Computer. The Psion is Ultra mobile to a degree a laptop/notebook/netbook isn't. So is a UMID. You also seem to make a distinction between Mobile and Portable at the end. Well Mobile requires Portable and Portable requires Mobile. Perhaps you mean Pocketable. The Psion and UMID are, as are most MIDs, your laptop category most definitely aren't. You put what is inside a UMID inside a Psion and you have a better keyboard for what you want to do. People have written entire essays and even books using the Psion because its keyboard was so good. EC,
Are you making up new definitions? Psion was a PDA and more! It never was a laptop, you don’t need a lap, nor do you need a tabletop as you state. I think a term often used was palmtop because you hold it in the palm of one hand and use the other,
It was also an ON THE GO device as you put it with instant-on. Not the boot-up times required of a notebook et al.
With the Psion (and I’m sure people might add other devices/designs) you can use it in the hand when on the GO. Or put on a table, or the armrest of the chair. The form factor wasn’t the limiting factor, rather the software and how you used it. It wasn’t a PMP – it was an early UMPC. You could also send faxes, print, use IR etc.
UMPCs are so called because it means Ultra Mobile Personal Computer.
The Psion is Ultra mobile to a degree a laptop/notebook/netbook isn’t. So is a UMID.
You also seem to make a distinction between Mobile and Portable at the end. Well Mobile requires Portable and Portable requires Mobile. Perhaps you mean Pocketable. The Psion and UMID are, as are most MIDs, your laptop category most definitely aren’t.
You put what is inside a UMID inside a Psion and you have a better keyboard for what you want to do. People have written entire essays and even books using the Psion because its keyboard was so good.

]]> By: ishadowu http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21753 ishadowu Tue, 05 May 2009 21:58:56 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21753 The origami project is just like the real status of umpc's to me, not much. It seems like there are less and less new devices. I doubt that there is any light in the future. Especially reading some of these posts. I do not want to join the debate but do agree that the umpc's should just try to be coat size laptops alternatives. Right now the new umpc's look rather dull and more of the same old stuff that has generated no excitement. The origami project is just like the real status of umpc’s to me, not much. It seems like there are less and less new devices. I doubt that there is any light in the future. Especially reading some of these posts. I do not want to join the debate but do agree that the umpc’s should just try to be coat size laptops alternatives. Right now the new umpc’s look rather dull and more of the same old stuff that has generated no excitement.

]]> By: EC http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21724 EC Tue, 05 May 2009 08:27:39 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21724 I might be too ignorant but Al(an) why don't you start an email and snail mail frenzy to Intel so they can know that people want touch type keyboard. I mean something like this: http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=652847 :) :) :) I might be too ignorant but Al(an) why don’t you start an email and snail mail frenzy to Intel so they can know that people want touch type keyboard.

I mean something like this:
http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=652847

:) :) :)

]]> By: EC http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21718 EC Tue, 05 May 2009 07:14:37 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21718 Al aka james aka Sal_R aka primaz aka james88 etc etc etc, Public has spoken: http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,3708.0.html :) Al aka james aka Sal_R aka primaz aka james88 etc etc etc,

Public has spoken:

http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,3708.0.html

:)

]]> By: Al http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21717 Al Tue, 05 May 2009 07:08:51 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21717 EC, The market has spoken, they did not buy UMPC's in huge numbers and thus far they continue to have weak sales. The origami project is just another example of the failed UMPC devices not meeting what people want. It is simple if people wanted full PC computers with thumb input they would have purchased them in big numbers but they have not. OQO is another example of yet another failed UMPC design along with Flipstart and others. You are defending a unpopular type of computer that if it does not adapt and provide a touch type keyboard will all face the same fate. You are too ignorant to see that you do not represent what most people want in a computer. EC,

The market has spoken, they did not buy UMPC’s in huge numbers and thus far they continue to have weak sales. The origami project is just another example of the failed UMPC devices not meeting what people want. It is simple if people wanted full PC computers with thumb input they would have purchased them in big numbers but they have not. OQO is another example of yet another failed UMPC design along with Flipstart and others. You are defending a unpopular type of computer that if it does not adapt and provide a touch type keyboard will all face the same fate. You are too ignorant to see that you do not represent what most people want in a computer.

]]> By: EC http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21715 EC Tue, 05 May 2009 03:19:50 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21715 @Al, What people really want isn't touch type keyboards but to BAN YOU! :) http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,3708.0.html @Al,

What people really want isn’t touch type keyboards but to BAN YOU! :)

http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,3708.0.html

]]> By: EC http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21714 EC Tue, 05 May 2009 03:14:14 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21714 @AL primaz, why do you hide behind so many names? :) @AL

primaz, why do you hide behind so many names? :)

]]> By: EC http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21710 EC Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:39 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21710 @AL and everyone who has followed me being stupid enough to reply to AL, I think you should read this: http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/umpc-portal/ Intel defines: What is a UMPC? And a certain somebody replied "I disagree..." Al, how about you continue this subject with MS and Intel directly. Thank you! The end! BYE! @AL and everyone who has followed me being stupid enough to reply to AL,

I think you should read this:

http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/umpc-portal/

Intel defines:
What is a UMPC?

And a certain somebody replied “I disagree…”

Al, how about you continue this subject with MS and Intel directly. Thank you! The end! BYE!

]]> By: EC http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21707 EC Tue, 05 May 2009 02:49:09 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21707 "I think you are merging mobile computing that is not full Windows with mobile computing using full Windows software. The type of mobile functions that people would do while walking are not full Windows programs; Windows Mobile used for Pocket PC’s are designed for that limited input type of use." This is where you have COMPLETELY missed the point it would seem, it's like you haven't read a single article on this site or JKKmobile the whole UMPC concept is just that FULL WINDOWS when you are WALKING AROUND! Not at a table! Al you are getting concepts totally confused here please do not get the idea of MOBILE internet device confused with Windows Mobile! :) you're really funny at times! :) "I think that is where OQO made the mistake of not using the right design so that it would make the ease of using full Windows enjoyable. They seemed more focused like a contest as how small can we possibly make it without thinking about how we use the kinds of software used in full Windows." Sorry Al OQO was as all other UMPCs and MID designed to be used while WALKING and ON THE GO not at a table so there was no design flaw as such, just some issues with your comprehension of the concept :) "I think the reality is that people do not want a UMPC to be used as a walking thumb input more PDA device." Well I am glad we have finally figured out where the problem is, the fact is you have just completely missed the whole point as to what a UMPC is, apparently you also completely ignored (as could be expected :)) the links I posted to the Origamiproject site as to what that was all about and what UMPCs are! Oh dear :) "UMPC’s have full Windows which represents programs and work that is not meant to be done while walking." LOL You're really making a fool out yourself making statements like this on a site called UMPCportal what else can I say :) you might need to calibrate your "UMPC compass". I guess you also completely ignored the word TABLET as was very keyword in the original UMPC idea, a tablet obviously is designed for JUST THAT to have FULL OS while walking around, be it in a warehouse or for other mobile computing! I am starting to understand now why you are not on the same wavelength as most of us on here, you've just simply missed or chosen to IGNORE the point of the UMPC in the first place. "I do agree that and OQO 02 with more “normal” layout of keys, half the thickness and ligher would be an instant success.' Plenty have told you the REAL reason for the OQO not succeeding, and while I mentioned more "normal" layout my comment was referring to some of the characters having an odd location such as the "?" symbol just have a look for yourself: http://www.math.uaa.alaska.edu/~afkjm/techteach/files/oqo/Big/front.JPG "To me the key requirement to provide a “normal” keyboard layout would be to increase the length to about 7″ to even as long as 7.5″; the width could be increased to 4″ or even 4.25″ which would make it more feasable to make it ultra thin. That larger size does not limit it from being jacket pocket in size though." So Al why are you insisting on debating with us who are looking for a device that is to be used for MOBILE (WHILE WALKING AROUND) COMPUTING, when *you* really want a portable device that is to be used on a table as in Netbook or Sony P, just go and get yourself one of those or the HTC shift and let us discuss the MOBILE devices we want to use :) "To me UMPC’s and the Origami Project so far have failed to use the cool ability of shrinking full Windows into the right size, shape, and input method for the computers to be easy to use and thus generate sales. Maybe finally UMPC companies will see the light?" And *who* are you that the fact that is has "failed" for you would matter to Microsoft, or the general public of the world? :) See "your light"? I have a feeling there's not much light at your end of the tunnel :) "I think you and I do share similar ideal visions of a UMPC but you are more defense to justify your purchase of UMPC’s." You know we do not share much in this aspect trust me! :) "you are more defense" I'm sorry I have no clue what this means. I have nothing to defend, if/when I buy a device I don't like I sell it, I'm not worried about the $700 or $2000 I spent on the Aigo or OQOs I've had or have, I sell them and get my money back (a good deal anyhow), and get a "priceless" amount of experience using them, it sounds like you've not done any mobile computing for years on the various tools that are available to do so while on foot. I reply on here 90% of the time while I am on the go, either on my SK or on the iP :) "If it was not was well laid out then the price should reflect that to me. " I'm sorry but I believe this site isn't here for discussing topics like "laid" :) “I think you are merging mobile computing that is not full Windows with mobile computing using full Windows software. The type of mobile functions that people would do while walking are not full Windows programs; Windows Mobile used for Pocket PC’s are designed for that limited input type of use.”

This is where you have COMPLETELY missed the point it would seem, it’s like you haven’t read a single article on this site or JKKmobile the whole UMPC concept is just that FULL WINDOWS when you are WALKING AROUND! Not at a table!

Al you are getting concepts totally confused here please do not get the idea of MOBILE internet device confused with Windows Mobile! :) you’re really funny at times! :)

“I think that is where OQO made the mistake of not using the right design so that it would make the ease of using full Windows enjoyable. They seemed more focused like a contest as how small can we possibly make it without thinking about how we use the kinds of software used in full Windows.”

Sorry Al OQO was as all other UMPCs and MID designed to be used while WALKING and ON THE GO not at a table so there was no design flaw as such, just some issues with your comprehension of the concept :)

“I think the reality is that people do not want a UMPC to be used as a walking thumb input more PDA device.”

Well I am glad we have finally figured out where the problem is, the fact is you have just completely missed the whole point as to what a UMPC is, apparently you also completely ignored (as could be expected :) ) the links I posted to the Origamiproject site as to what that was all about and what UMPCs are! Oh dear :)

“UMPC’s have full Windows which represents programs and work that is not meant to be done while walking.”

LOL You’re really making a fool out yourself making statements like this on a site called UMPCportal what else can I say :) you might need to calibrate your “UMPC compass”. I guess you also completely ignored the word TABLET as was very keyword in the original UMPC idea, a tablet obviously is designed for JUST THAT to have FULL OS while walking around, be it in a warehouse or for other mobile computing! I am starting to understand now why you are not on the same wavelength as most of us on here, you’ve just simply missed or chosen to IGNORE the point of the UMPC in the first place.

“I do agree that and OQO 02 with more “normal” layout of keys, half the thickness and ligher would be an instant success.’

Plenty have told you the REAL reason for the OQO not succeeding, and while I mentioned more “normal” layout my comment was referring to some of the characters having an odd location such as the “?” symbol just have a look for yourself: http://www.math.uaa.alaska.edu/~afkjm/techteach/files/oqo/Big/front.JPG

“To me the key requirement to provide a “normal” keyboard layout would be to increase the length to about 7″ to even as long as 7.5″; the width could be increased to 4″ or even 4.25″ which would make it more feasable to make it ultra thin. That larger size does not limit it from being jacket pocket in size though.”

So Al why are you insisting on debating with us who are looking for a device that is to be used for MOBILE (WHILE WALKING AROUND) COMPUTING, when *you* really want a portable device that is to be used on a table as in Netbook or Sony P, just go and get yourself one of those or the HTC shift and let us discuss the MOBILE devices we want to use :)

“To me UMPC’s and the Origami Project so far have failed to use the cool ability of shrinking full Windows into the right size, shape, and input method for the computers to be easy to use and thus generate sales. Maybe finally UMPC companies will see the light?”

And *who* are you that the fact that is has “failed” for you would matter to Microsoft, or the general public of the world? :) See “your light”? I have a feeling there’s not much light at your end of the tunnel :)

“I think you and I do share similar ideal visions of a UMPC but you are more defense to justify your purchase of UMPC’s.”

You know we do not share much in this aspect trust me! :)
“you are more defense” I’m sorry I have no clue what this means. I have nothing to defend, if/when I buy a device I don’t like I sell it, I’m not worried about the $700 or $2000 I spent on the Aigo or OQOs I’ve had or have, I sell them and get my money back (a good deal anyhow), and get a “priceless” amount of experience using them, it sounds like you’ve not done any mobile computing for years on the various tools that are available to do so while on foot. I reply on here 90% of the time while I am on the go, either on my SK or on the iP :)

“If it was not was well laid out then the price should reflect that to me. ”

I’m sorry but I believe this site isn’t here for discussing topics like “laid” :)

]]> By: Al http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21706 Al Tue, 05 May 2009 02:28:47 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21706 EC, I think you are merging mobile computing that is not full Windows with mobile computing using full Windows software. The type of mobile functions that people would do while walking are not full Windows programs; Windows Mobile used for Pocket PC's are designed for that limited input type of use. I think that is where OQO made the mistake of not using the right design so that it would make the ease of using full Windows enjoyable. They seemed more focused like a contest as how small can we possibly make it without thinking about how we use the kinds of software used in full Windows. I think the reality is that people do not want a UMPC to be used as a walking thumb input more PDA device. UMPC's have full Windows which represents programs and work that is not meant to be done while walking. The sales of UMPC's have been very small less than 350k a year which prove that the demand for that type of full Windows use is not what people want. I do agree that and OQO 02 with more "normal" layout of keys, half the thickness and ligher would be an instant success. To me the key requirement to provide a "normal" keyboard layout would be to increase the length to about 7" to even as long as 7.5"; the width could be increased to 4" or even 4.25" which would make it more feasable to make it ultra thin. That larger size does not limit it from being jacket pocket in size though. To me UMPC's and the Origami Project so far have failed to use the cool ability of shrinking full Windows into the right size, shape, and input method for the computers to be easy to use and thus generate sales. Maybe finally UMPC companies will see the light? I think you and I do share similar ideal visions of a UMPC but you are more defense to justify your purchase of UMPC's. I do own a UMPC but have no reservations to be critical of all UMPC's as they do not provide an easy way to use full Windows and if something is not improved soon the fate of UMPC's could be just like the Origami Project. The price to me would depend on how well the keys are designed. If the key layout is like a Psion 5mx or as another person listed a Revo which is similar the key layout would provide very good feel for typing and enable a higher price. If it was not was well laid out then the price should reflect that to me. I think the price could be anywhere from $700 to $1500 depending on the design and ease of use. EC,

I think you are merging mobile computing that is not full Windows with mobile computing using full Windows software. The type of mobile functions that people would do while walking are not full Windows programs; Windows Mobile used for Pocket PC’s are designed for that limited input type of use.

I think that is where OQO made the mistake of not using the right design so that it would make the ease of using full Windows enjoyable. They seemed more focused like a contest as how small can we possibly make it without thinking about how we use the kinds of software used in full Windows.

I think the reality is that people do not want a UMPC to be used as a walking thumb input more PDA device. UMPC’s have full Windows which represents programs and work that is not meant to be done while walking. The sales of UMPC’s have been very small less than 350k a year which prove that the demand for that type of full Windows use is not what people want.

I do agree that and OQO 02 with more “normal” layout of keys, half the thickness and ligher would be an instant success. To me the key requirement to provide a “normal” keyboard layout would be to increase the length to about 7″ to even as long as 7.5″; the width could be increased to 4″ or even 4.25″ which would make it more feasable to make it ultra thin. That larger size does not limit it from being jacket pocket in size though.

To me UMPC’s and the Origami Project so far have failed to use the cool ability of shrinking full Windows into the right size, shape, and input method for the computers to be easy to use and thus generate sales. Maybe finally UMPC companies will see the light? I think you and I do share similar ideal visions of a UMPC but you are more defense to justify your purchase of UMPC’s. I do own a UMPC but have no reservations to be critical of all UMPC’s as they do not provide an easy way to use full Windows and if something is not improved soon the fate of UMPC’s could be just like the Origami Project.
The price to me would depend on how well the keys are designed. If the key layout is like a Psion 5mx or as another person listed a Revo which is similar the key layout would provide very good feel for typing and enable a higher price. If it was not was well laid out then the price should reflect that to me. I think the price could be anywhere from $700 to $1500 depending on the design and ease of use.

]]> By: Mobileer http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-53691 Mobileer Mon, 04 May 2009 20:22:57 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-53691 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Origamiproject thread became a thumbboard vs touch type debate, oh I have nothing to do with it becoming a debate http://tinyurl.com/cmksfe</span></span>

Origamiproject thread became a thumbboard vs touch type debate, oh I have nothing to do with it becoming a debate http://tinyurl.com/cmksfe

]]> By: EC http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21679 EC Mon, 04 May 2009 18:39:15 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21679 @Jlow This is where the smart phone (and alike) topic came into the picture, based on the volumes of such sold it should be VERY evident that people are not "requiring" touch type capabilities for the mobile computing, in fact as pointed out. Mobile computing (on the go, walking/standing) is *NOT POSSIBLE* with touch typing, at least not for me with the limitation of having only TWO ARMS&HANDS! :) The number of laptops sold, has nothing to do with MIDs and UMPCs, as it would like comparing mobile phones and laptop sales, they really don't target the same consumer group. The "smarter" the smart phones get the less likely the MID/UMPC segment is to succeed obviously. But for those looking for TOUCH TYPING it's NOT a mobile on the go device they want, they want a PORTABLE device (pocketable or not is just a side thing). However there are some devices that somewhat push both categories like the UMID M1, however as has been pointed out both by those using it on the go as well as those trying to touch type on it really isn't ideal for either! OQO 02 with a more "normal" layout of the keys, half the thickness and lighter (in the AIGO range) would be an instant success if in the right price range! @Jlow

This is where the smart phone (and alike) topic came into the picture, based on the volumes of such sold it should be VERY evident that people are not “requiring” touch type capabilities for the mobile computing, in fact as pointed out. Mobile computing (on the go, walking/standing) is *NOT POSSIBLE* with touch typing, at least not for me with the limitation of having only TWO ARMS&HANDS! :)

The number of laptops sold, has nothing to do with MIDs and UMPCs, as it would like comparing mobile phones and laptop sales, they really don’t target the same consumer group. The “smarter” the smart phones get the less likely the MID/UMPC segment is to succeed obviously. But for those looking for TOUCH TYPING it’s NOT a mobile on the go device they want, they want a PORTABLE device (pocketable or not is just a side thing).

However there are some devices that somewhat push both categories like the UMID M1, however as has been pointed out both by those using it on the go as well as those trying to touch type on it really isn’t ideal for either!

OQO 02 with a more “normal” layout of the keys, half the thickness and lighter (in the AIGO range) would be an instant success if in the right price range!

]]> By: Jlow http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing/#comment-21676 Jlow Mon, 04 May 2009 18:29:46 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/05/origamiprojectcom-closed-buildyourumpc-closing#comment-21676 ok I see. But to me I might think that they will completely fail but I do agree that they will not be very successful without a keyboard. I do think the masses are looking for a touch type keyboard UMPC and that is why they have had such poor sales so far. To me if a computer does not have a keyboard then it is very limited in the types of things I could do with it. A thumb key computer to me using UMPC is not very practical as a PocketPC would do the job better. A pen only input computer would be nice maybe for limted sketching, drawing, or handwritting use but I've never found the pen accuracy to be very good compared to just plain old fashion paper? What I would like to see is a UMPC that looks like the Psion Revo I used to use. If you ever used one they are best used for touch type input but with the size just under 7" you could in a pinch could hold it while standing for entering say appointments, etc. like you would with a PocketPC. ok I see. But to me I might think that they will completely fail but I do agree that they will not be very successful without a keyboard. I do think the masses are looking for a touch type keyboard UMPC and that is why they have had such poor sales so far. To me if a computer does not have a keyboard then it is very limited in the types of things I could do with it. A thumb key computer to me using UMPC is not very practical as a PocketPC would do the job better. A pen only input computer would be nice maybe for limted sketching, drawing, or handwritting use but I’ve never found the pen accuracy to be very good compared to just plain old fashion paper?

What I would like to see is a UMPC that looks like the Psion Revo I used to use. If you ever used one they are best used for touch type input but with the size just under 7″ you could in a pinch could hold it while standing for entering say appointments, etc. like you would with a PocketPC.

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