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	<title>Comments on: A theory on why Apple is keeping quiet about the iPhone 3GS specs</title>
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		<title>By: Walton</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-27503</link>
		<dc:creator>Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmmmm... informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmmmm&#8230; informative.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad W Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23439</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad W Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a 600Mhz CPU.   TI’s OMAP 3430 (same as the Pre) which uses an ARM Cortex A8 core and a PowerVR SGX GPU.

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&amp;p=2

  	                iPhone 3G (ARM11) 	iPhone 3GS (ARM Cortex A8)
Manufacturing Process 	90nm 	                65nm
Issue Width           	1-issue          	2-issue
Pipeline Depth  	8-stage 	        13-stage
Clock Speed 	        412MHz          	600MHz
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a 600Mhz CPU.   TI’s OMAP 3430 (same as the Pre) which uses an ARM Cortex A8 core and a PowerVR SGX GPU.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&#038;p=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&#038;p=2</a></p>
<p>  	                iPhone 3G (ARM11) 	iPhone 3GS (ARM Cortex A8)<br />
Manufacturing Process 	90nm 	                65nm<br />
Issue Width           	1-issue          	2-issue<br />
Pipeline Depth  	8-stage 	        13-stage<br />
Clock Speed 	        412MHz          	600MHz<br />
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23424</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yes, I agree. But it shows it is possible to target your applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, I agree. But it shows it is possible to target your applications.</p>
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		<title>By: EC</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23423</link>
		<dc:creator>EC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

The scenario your friend had I would however class as &quot;unintentional non compatibility&quot; if that makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>The scenario your friend had I would however class as &#8220;unintentional non compatibility&#8221; if that makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23422</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t believe that there is any app currently that can’t be installed on every single touch device so far released&quot;

That definitely isn&#039;t true, developers can compile to different versions of the OS and to the device. 

I&#039;ve seen cases where a friend with a v2 Touch couldn&#039;t install an app, when they tried it said it wasn&#039;t compatible with their device. They contacted the developer and he said he&#039;d forgot to included the new model in the build options (as it was written pre v2). They submitted a new version that day and a week later my friend could install the app when it made the store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t believe that there is any app currently that can’t be installed on every single touch device so far released&#8221;</p>
<p>That definitely isn&#8217;t true, developers can compile to different versions of the OS and to the device. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen cases where a friend with a v2 Touch couldn&#8217;t install an app, when they tried it said it wasn&#8217;t compatible with their device. They contacted the developer and he said he&#8217;d forgot to included the new model in the build options (as it was written pre v2). They submitted a new version that day and a week later my friend could install the app when it made the store.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23419</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would imagine very easily. They already do it by country and they can stop you installing if you have the wrong OS.

Apple has to break from the older devices eventually, otherwise they will get left behind by newer more powerful phones. Phone and MP3 users are fickle and want the latest tech and can often afford it due to phone subsidies. Apple don&#039;t need to convince developers to move, they will adapt or limit their market...

Developers already cope with varying speeds of processor. There are games on the app store that, for example, have more opponents in racing games on the new Touch than on the iPhone and some games run smoother on the Touch than the iPhone etc.

Games developers have been coping with this for years, PCs have lots of different hardware and clock speeds and can adjust frame rate accordingly or offer options to lower visual quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would imagine very easily. They already do it by country and they can stop you installing if you have the wrong OS.</p>
<p>Apple has to break from the older devices eventually, otherwise they will get left behind by newer more powerful phones. Phone and MP3 users are fickle and want the latest tech and can often afford it due to phone subsidies. Apple don&#8217;t need to convince developers to move, they will adapt or limit their market&#8230;</p>
<p>Developers already cope with varying speeds of processor. There are games on the app store that, for example, have more opponents in racing games on the new Touch than on the iPhone and some games run smoother on the Touch than the iPhone etc.</p>
<p>Games developers have been coping with this for years, PCs have lots of different hardware and clock speeds and can adjust frame rate accordingly or offer options to lower visual quality.</p>
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		<title>By: EC</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23417</link>
		<dc:creator>EC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How hard would it be for the iTunes or/and app store on the phone/iPod to recognize the device type and only show the suitable apps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How hard would it be for the iTunes or/and app store on the phone/iPod to recognize the device type and only show the suitable apps?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23378</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EC, I don&#039;t believe that there is any app currently that can&#039;t be installed on every single touch device so far released. Even ones that are oriented for GPS and LBS can be installed and used on any of the iPod Touchs or iPhones. Though they may not have the necessary components to make the particular app useful (for example, a microphone), they can still be installed and will run.

Apple will need to overhaul the app store to make a section of apps specifically for the iPhone 3GS as the older models won&#039;t be able to run apps that are being developed with 265MB of RAM and a 600MHz CPU in mind. But that isn&#039;t something that I can see Apple wanting to do. How do you convince devs to create applications that will only run on the iPhone 3GS when you have an audience of 40,000,000 iPhone/iPod Touchs? To me, that move doesn&#039;t make sense, which is why I feel like there is something else afoot here rather than devs having full access to a 600MHz core and 256MB of RAM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EC, I don&#8217;t believe that there is any app currently that can&#8217;t be installed on every single touch device so far released. Even ones that are oriented for GPS and LBS can be installed and used on any of the iPod Touchs or iPhones. Though they may not have the necessary components to make the particular app useful (for example, a microphone), they can still be installed and will run.</p>
<p>Apple will need to overhaul the app store to make a section of apps specifically for the iPhone 3GS as the older models won&#8217;t be able to run apps that are being developed with 265MB of RAM and a 600MHz CPU in mind. But that isn&#8217;t something that I can see Apple wanting to do. How do you convince devs to create applications that will only run on the iPhone 3GS when you have an audience of 40,000,000 iPhone/iPod Touchs? To me, that move doesn&#8217;t make sense, which is why I feel like there is something else afoot here rather than devs having full access to a 600MHz core and 256MB of RAM.</p>
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		<title>By: theluketaylor</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23369</link>
		<dc:creator>theluketaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arm11 and cortex use very different methods to achieve low power consumption.  arm11 chips strive to limit power consumption at the expense of performance which is why underclocking them works.  cortex chips use the more modern idea of race to idle and use better manufacturing techniques to achieve low idle draw.  By crunching numbers more quickly cortex chips spend more time idle running the same program as arm11.

in terms of compatibility I don&#039;t see it as being that big a deal.  OS X already has development and runtime tools that make multi arch very simple.  The biggest change is actually the graphics not the cpu.  there are likely going to be games that are 3GS only but regular apps shouldn&#039;t be a huge difference.  They might just accomplish more complicated tasks like javascript and gps route calculations faster on the new hardware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arm11 and cortex use very different methods to achieve low power consumption.  arm11 chips strive to limit power consumption at the expense of performance which is why underclocking them works.  cortex chips use the more modern idea of race to idle and use better manufacturing techniques to achieve low idle draw.  By crunching numbers more quickly cortex chips spend more time idle running the same program as arm11.</p>
<p>in terms of compatibility I don&#8217;t see it as being that big a deal.  OS X already has development and runtime tools that make multi arch very simple.  The biggest change is actually the graphics not the cpu.  there are likely going to be games that are 3GS only but regular apps shouldn&#8217;t be a huge difference.  They might just accomplish more complicated tasks like javascript and gps route calculations faster on the new hardware.</p>
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		<title>By: EC</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23368</link>
		<dc:creator>EC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of applications that are either iPhone and not iPod compatible, or only 3G (w/GPS) compatible vs. 1st gen iPhone, each app says what it is compatible with. So why would 3GS be any different? Obviously you can&#039;t use apps req GPS on 1st gen iPhones etc etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of applications that are either iPhone and not iPod compatible, or only 3G (w/GPS) compatible vs. 1st gen iPhone, each app says what it is compatible with. So why would 3GS be any different? Obviously you can&#8217;t use apps req GPS on 1st gen iPhones etc etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/06/a-theory-on-why-apple-is-keeping-quite-about-the-iphone-3gs-specs/#comment-23367</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though the iPhone 3GS might have a 600MHz CPU as indicated by t-mobile, I have a feeling that it isn&#039;t running at the full 600MHz, just as the iPod Touch 2G doesn&#039;t. Though it seems like we got it right with the RAM increase. Again, I&#039;m saying that it won&#039;t be running at 600MHz, if it was running that speed and devs have access to all 256MB of RAM, there is no way that apps will be backward compatible to other generations of devices, and they will need to split the app store to show those that are designed for the 3GS and those that are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though the iPhone 3GS might have a 600MHz CPU as indicated by t-mobile, I have a feeling that it isn&#8217;t running at the full 600MHz, just as the iPod Touch 2G doesn&#8217;t. Though it seems like we got it right with the RAM increase. Again, I&#8217;m saying that it won&#8217;t be running at 600MHz, if it was running that speed and devs have access to all 256MB of RAM, there is no way that apps will be backward compatible to other generations of devices, and they will need to split the app store to show those that are designed for the 3GS and those that are not.</p>
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		<title>By: cah</title>
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		<dc:creator>cah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Anand has it bang on actually. it makes the most sense. Why apple does not want to get into a specs war is simply because they can then string the hardware for as long as possible until they have to renew it. Plus I am sure that it is part of their marketing mantra to highlight the &#039;real world&#039; feel over the actual clock/MB ratings. Remember how they tried to sell G3/G4 architectures on a &#039;feel&#039; basis rather than a Mhz basis? Yet for all their trumpetry a G4 at 1Ghz still runs heavy flash websites worse than a PIII tualatin core at 1Ghz...

I don&#039;t believe that they could have clocked the old SoC with the Arm11 and MBX-lite up to 600Mhz for the arm11 and got the power savings reported - even with a better screen and perhaps lower power ssd and memory. 256MB ram is also going to boost power usage so maybe they are not releasing the specs because to save on power usage the iphone will treat it in blocks and power on/off the memory as required. instead of a single 256MB block. 

Still, you never know - there might be licensing issues involved that means they aren&#039;t willing to disclose the information. Shortly someone will rip it apart and tell us anyway. They might have improved the OS enough to get &#039;real world&#039; improvements of 2.5 times or so. I will be surprised if it is arm11. 

As a real productivity device I believe the HTC Touch pro2 is not getting enough love from UMPCportal - shame on you ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Anand has it bang on actually. it makes the most sense. Why apple does not want to get into a specs war is simply because they can then string the hardware for as long as possible until they have to renew it. Plus I am sure that it is part of their marketing mantra to highlight the &#8216;real world&#8217; feel over the actual clock/MB ratings. Remember how they tried to sell G3/G4 architectures on a &#8216;feel&#8217; basis rather than a Mhz basis? Yet for all their trumpetry a G4 at 1Ghz still runs heavy flash websites worse than a PIII tualatin core at 1Ghz&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that they could have clocked the old SoC with the Arm11 and MBX-lite up to 600Mhz for the arm11 and got the power savings reported &#8211; even with a better screen and perhaps lower power ssd and memory. 256MB ram is also going to boost power usage so maybe they are not releasing the specs because to save on power usage the iphone will treat it in blocks and power on/off the memory as required. instead of a single 256MB block. </p>
<p>Still, you never know &#8211; there might be licensing issues involved that means they aren&#8217;t willing to disclose the information. Shortly someone will rip it apart and tell us anyway. They might have improved the OS enough to get &#8216;real world&#8217; improvements of 2.5 times or so. I will be surprised if it is arm11. </p>
<p>As a real productivity device I believe the HTC Touch pro2 is not getting enough love from UMPCportal &#8211; shame on you <img src='http://www.umpcportal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: EC</title>
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		<dc:creator>EC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iphone-3g-s-processor-specs-600mhz-cpu-256mb-of-ram/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iphone-3g-s-processor-specs-600mhz-cpu-256mb-of-ram/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iphone-3g-s-processor-specs-600mhz-cpu-256mb-of-ram/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anand reckons it uses a 600 MHz Samsung SoC with the Cortex-A8 and PowerVR SGX:
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&amp;p=2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anand reckons it uses a 600 MHz Samsung SoC with the Cortex-A8 and PowerVR SGX:<br />
<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&#038;p=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&#038;p=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sarig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then please explain how everyone is still doing nicely in Norway, where you can get the iPhone on contract on both major carriers, and if you buy it unlocked, you can use it whereever you like?

Strangely, Nokia, SE, Samsung, LG, HTC are still surviving quite fine here. Blackberry and Palm never had a presence in the market here.

I love the fact that the iPhone is here, even though I don&#039;t like it personally. Because the carriers here have finally realised that including data usage in the phone plans instead of having seperate &quot;mobile broadband&quot; plans might actually be a good idea.

So after iPhone got here, buying any smartphone has gotten a lot more interesting, as you can actually use all of their features without paying out your ass for data usage :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then please explain how everyone is still doing nicely in Norway, where you can get the iPhone on contract on both major carriers, and if you buy it unlocked, you can use it whereever you like?</p>
<p>Strangely, Nokia, SE, Samsung, LG, HTC are still surviving quite fine here. Blackberry and Palm never had a presence in the market here.</p>
<p>I love the fact that the iPhone is here, even though I don&#8217;t like it personally. Because the carriers here have finally realised that including data usage in the phone plans instead of having seperate &#8220;mobile broadband&#8221; plans might actually be a good idea.</p>
<p>So after iPhone got here, buying any smartphone has gotten a lot more interesting, as you can actually use all of their features without paying out your ass for data usage <img src='http://www.umpcportal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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