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		<title>By: Charbax</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-round-up-podcasts-thoughts/#comment-24533</link>
		<dc:creator>Charbax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can be sure everything is encrypted on Google&#039;s servers, many many times, and they encrypt every aspect of their databases, cache and networks. Only very few, if not only the top of Google has any way to find out those encryption keys for all of Google&#039;s system. If you think any of the 20 thousand employees at Google can read your gmail, you are totally wrong. Google might even have made it so not even Sergei Brin can do anything to try to read your gmail. It could be somekind of random encryption key for each gmail account, stored on random servers in ways that are unhackable.

What Google needs though is higher level of encryption on the client side. I&#039;d like one of those calculator type of things that banks give people, so that I could anytime I use a public terminal such as in a netcafé, I should be able to click a button on Gmail to not only log-off but to reset that extra level of security so next time I log-in I would need to use that unhcackable physical calculator product thing. This way any keyloggers on the netcafé computers would be rendered useless. And any attempt at logging in should be logged by Google and viewable by the user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can be sure everything is encrypted on Google&#8217;s servers, many many times, and they encrypt every aspect of their databases, cache and networks. Only very few, if not only the top of Google has any way to find out those encryption keys for all of Google&#8217;s system. If you think any of the 20 thousand employees at Google can read your gmail, you are totally wrong. Google might even have made it so not even Sergei Brin can do anything to try to read your gmail. It could be somekind of random encryption key for each gmail account, stored on random servers in ways that are unhackable.</p>
<p>What Google needs though is higher level of encryption on the client side. I&#8217;d like one of those calculator type of things that banks give people, so that I could anytime I use a public terminal such as in a netcafé, I should be able to click a button on Gmail to not only log-off but to reset that extra level of security so next time I log-in I would need to use that unhcackable physical calculator product thing. This way any keyloggers on the netcafé computers would be rendered useless. And any attempt at logging in should be logged by Google and viewable by the user.</p>
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		<title>By: Inflecto Systems (Web Based Applications)</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-round-up-podcasts-thoughts/#comment-24529</link>
		<dc:creator>Inflecto Systems (Web Based Applications)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LeeN your point about encryption is wrong in some respects. The problem with encrypting your data then sending it to the cloud is that means it cannot be read in the cloud. Great for security but what if you want to search your data or perform calculations on it without pulling it all off the cloud. This is impossible because the data cannot be read within the cloud as it is encrypted. 

This is the kind of chicken and egg scenario which is really going to have to be solved to allow mainstream business to consider cloud based applications seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeeN your point about encryption is wrong in some respects. The problem with encrypting your data then sending it to the cloud is that means it cannot be read in the cloud. Great for security but what if you want to search your data or perform calculations on it without pulling it all off the cloud. This is impossible because the data cannot be read within the cloud as it is encrypted. </p>
<p>This is the kind of chicken and egg scenario which is really going to have to be solved to allow mainstream business to consider cloud based applications seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeN</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-round-up-podcasts-thoughts/#comment-24347</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A Chrome OS using a Moblin 2 core on a Moorestown platform could provide an always-on smartbook experience.&quot;

Not sure what is meant by that but if Moblin 2 has a web browser, it will be capable of doing the exact same thing as Chrome OS. As a matter of a fact Chrome OS doesn&#039;t claim to functionally do more then any other OS with a web browser, but rather to provide a very simple OS designed only to provide a web browser, which also has the benefits of better security (less to secure), and faster boot times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A Chrome OS using a Moblin 2 core on a Moorestown platform could provide an always-on smartbook experience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure what is meant by that but if Moblin 2 has a web browser, it will be capable of doing the exact same thing as Chrome OS. As a matter of a fact Chrome OS doesn&#8217;t claim to functionally do more then any other OS with a web browser, but rather to provide a very simple OS designed only to provide a web browser, which also has the benefits of better security (less to secure), and faster boot times.</p>
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		<title>By: canadamanintaiwan</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-round-up-podcasts-thoughts/#comment-54191</link>
		<dc:creator>canadamanintaiwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Google Chrome OS. Round-Up, Podcasts, Thoughts. http://bit.ly/QCSBM&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Google Chrome OS. Round-Up, Podcasts, Thoughts. <a href="http://bit.ly/QCSBM" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/QCSBM</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: LeeN</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-round-up-podcasts-thoughts/#comment-24343</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the location-awareness, Google Gear supports a Geolocation API, which can use any location based tracking (GPS, network/cellid) that is available on a system.

For 3d, I don&#039;t see google making any headway in that direction. First off they are not interested in using graphics hardware acceleration for web pages, they have rather blown it off as not feasible with out having actually tried it out, although since Google Chrome is young and they were just looking into getting out the door faster, maybe in the future they will be interested in it. The other 3d option they wanted to go with is a very high level 3d api, which most high level apis like that are not successful (Java3D, VRML, etc). Mozilla on the other hand has proposed OpenGL ES, and even the Khronos group behind OpenGL has said they want to get 3d to the web, so there is hope still there, just not from google. Apple and Mozilla also have been flirting with 3d CSS transforms, so web page content can be moved and rotated in 3d space (but I don&#039;t even think any of that is official in any standards).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the location-awareness, Google Gear supports a Geolocation API, which can use any location based tracking (GPS, network/cellid) that is available on a system.</p>
<p>For 3d, I don&#8217;t see google making any headway in that direction. First off they are not interested in using graphics hardware acceleration for web pages, they have rather blown it off as not feasible with out having actually tried it out, although since Google Chrome is young and they were just looking into getting out the door faster, maybe in the future they will be interested in it. The other 3d option they wanted to go with is a very high level 3d api, which most high level apis like that are not successful (Java3D, VRML, etc). Mozilla on the other hand has proposed OpenGL ES, and even the Khronos group behind OpenGL has said they want to get 3d to the web, so there is hope still there, just not from google. Apple and Mozilla also have been flirting with 3d CSS transforms, so web page content can be moved and rotated in 3d space (but I don&#8217;t even think any of that is official in any standards).</p>
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		<title>By: LeeN</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-round-up-podcasts-thoughts/#comment-24342</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;big brother&#039; thing should become less of an issue when encryption becomes easier to use. That way your data can be out there but it&#039;s meaningless to anyone who doesn&#039;t have the keys for it.

To see where html 5 support is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28HTML_5%29

For the mobile OS stuff, I don&#039;t think it will be that way. There is an API that is supported by many web browers called gears, which allowed you to work offline with many RIAs, like Google Docs, gmail, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_gears

The coolest thing I think this OS will do, is if it is adopted by a lot of people, that it will increase the developers creating RIAs and other web based content (more games etc), it will also push HTML 5 support faster, where as for example, it will probably take Microsoft a long time until they support it, and Microsoft strategy is to push silverlight and html 5 would get in the way of thta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;big brother&#8217; thing should become less of an issue when encryption becomes easier to use. That way your data can be out there but it&#8217;s meaningless to anyone who doesn&#8217;t have the keys for it.</p>
<p>To see where html 5 support is at:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28HTML_5%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28HTML_5%29</a></p>
<p>For the mobile OS stuff, I don&#8217;t think it will be that way. There is an API that is supported by many web browers called gears, which allowed you to work offline with many RIAs, like Google Docs, gmail, etc.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_gears" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_gears</a></p>
<p>The coolest thing I think this OS will do, is if it is adopted by a lot of people, that it will increase the developers creating RIAs and other web based content (more games etc), it will also push HTML 5 support faster, where as for example, it will probably take Microsoft a long time until they support it, and Microsoft strategy is to push silverlight and html 5 would get in the way of thta.</p>
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		<title>By: Charbax</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-round-up-podcasts-thoughts/#comment-24341</link>
		<dc:creator>Charbax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what I believe. You have an interesting way to analyse this, I would link to the Masterful John C Dvorak for some very clever guessing: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/is-googles-new-os-more-than-just-a-bluff?siteid=

I do not believe John C Dvorak is 100% right in his funny column, thogh I do believe he is right when he says that this is all a super clever public relations trick put on by Google and that all of it is just the Google OS coming up. John C Dvorak is mostly right about most things that he says.

I believe it will be released open sourced in a couple of months, with the first ARM Cortex A8 and Tegra based laptops.

Android 2.0 and Chrome OS is the same thing. It doesn&#039;t matter what Google says and what bloggers think. There is only one way Google is working towards:

- Making full Chrome browser work on ARM embedded laptops even better than on x86 based laptops.

Now, you might know me as the contiunous x86 basher, I kind of am. But what I believe Google wants is more competition in both hardware and software space for PCs and laptops. This is what Google OS is all about.

The reasons Google might caution Google OS on ARM fans to wait for are a few technological breakthroughs which Google might need before the worldwide availability of perfect $100 Google laptops can happen:

1. ARM Cortex A8 needs to be fast enough for a full browser. If it&#039;s not, then Google needs to wait for broad availability of ARM Cortex A9 starting early next year.

2. Google and the whole ARM community needs to optimize browsers, flash, HTML5 features on DSP and GPU cores of laptops, especially ARM laptops, so that $100 laptops can run a FULL browser and cloud computing experience. Nvidia, Qualcomm, Freescale, Texas Instruments were promising hardware acceleration for the browser, Flash and HTML5 at Computex, but they didn&#039;t really show it yet. I believe they can make it work as a 2003 X86 based browser (something like a 512MB RAM or less system), though that may not be enough for the full mass market to adopt the first version, thus Google might prefer to wait for full launch for it to work better than 2009 x86 browsers.

3. Google wants better connectivity. Google is strongly hoping to start implementing White Spaces worldwide as soon as possible, this will enable free unlimited wireless Internet for all (and destroy all ISPs and telcos in the process). Optimized Connected standby features for ARM devices might only really start working perfectly early next year. First generation ARM Google OS laptops might not have LED lights that turn on instantly on incoming emails, feeds, pings, IMs, VOIP calls and other such crucial presence and social networking web apps which Google needs on the Google laptops for it to really feel like revolutionary products compared to the established systems.

4. Political aspects of this might start being put into places early next year as well such as real competition on HSDPA connectivity, maximum prices of $20 per month pre-paid data-only plans for most of the world and no more contract-plans and other voice and SMS plans forced onto consumers by monopolistic telcos. Also political decision on net neutrality, white spaces, sustainable energy consumption of consumer electronics and servers and crucial for Google to succeed on this global cloud computing plan.

I see it as inevitable, that Google will create Google OS, a super tiny embedded Linux open source OS less than 50 Megabytes for the whole highly optimized OS, and that in a couple of months we will start seeing it ship on $150 ARM based laptops with all types of screen sizes (large screens and keyboards aren&#039;t much more expensive than small ones, consider $50 upgrade for 15&quot; and full keyboard instead of 10&quot; and tiny netbook keyboard).

Those $150 Google laptops will be running ARM chips by half a dozen competing ARM processor manufacturers and manufactured by all the major laptop manufacturers in the world. Effectively putting out of business all of Microsoft, Intel and Apple. Together with most of Silicon Valley. That is for the better. For the first time billions more people will have access to this technology very quickly and we will all for the first time really find amazing new ways to use the technology.

As for technical details on Native versus Cloud apps. I believe natively you will have everything needed for a full computing experience. Basically it&#039;s not just the browser, it&#039;s not just flash support, it&#039;s not just HTML5 including native code plugins for the browser and 3D in the browser, it&#039;s like providing you the hypervisors, user interface APIs, clever caching and seamless interface optimizations, which will enable you to not only have a full 2009 x86 style computing experience, it will plug you into the full cloud, in fact giving you infinately more computing power for all the most processor intensive tasks that the biggest professionals would want to use. You can definitely encode videos using grid server encoding, I have been doing that for over 2 years for all my HD video encoding needs, just have a fast enough upload to upload your source files from your camcorders. Google Gears type database and web application caching not only lets you do things while offline, it can turn all web applications into feeling exactly like native applications, they respond instantly without having to wait for any online service to stream the user interfaces back at you. The user interfaces will be locally cached on the machine, only processed data is streamed from the cloud, and clever pre-loading algorithms mostly will not make you feel any difference than processing everything using a local X86 processor. In fact, things will feel much faster cause you will be able to have the power of an unlimited amount of cloud servers to render, process and encode any of your media intensive tasks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what I believe. You have an interesting way to analyse this, I would link to the Masterful John C Dvorak for some very clever guessing: <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/story/is-googles-new-os-more-than-just-a-bluff?siteid" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwatch.com/story/is-googles-new-os-more-than-just-a-bluff?siteid</a>=</p>
<p>I do not believe John C Dvorak is 100% right in his funny column, thogh I do believe he is right when he says that this is all a super clever public relations trick put on by Google and that all of it is just the Google OS coming up. John C Dvorak is mostly right about most things that he says.</p>
<p>I believe it will be released open sourced in a couple of months, with the first ARM Cortex A8 and Tegra based laptops.</p>
<p>Android 2.0 and Chrome OS is the same thing. It doesn&#8217;t matter what Google says and what bloggers think. There is only one way Google is working towards:</p>
<p>- Making full Chrome browser work on ARM embedded laptops even better than on x86 based laptops.</p>
<p>Now, you might know me as the contiunous x86 basher, I kind of am. But what I believe Google wants is more competition in both hardware and software space for PCs and laptops. This is what Google OS is all about.</p>
<p>The reasons Google might caution Google OS on ARM fans to wait for are a few technological breakthroughs which Google might need before the worldwide availability of perfect $100 Google laptops can happen:</p>
<p>1. ARM Cortex A8 needs to be fast enough for a full browser. If it&#8217;s not, then Google needs to wait for broad availability of ARM Cortex A9 starting early next year.</p>
<p>2. Google and the whole ARM community needs to optimize browsers, flash, HTML5 features on DSP and GPU cores of laptops, especially ARM laptops, so that $100 laptops can run a FULL browser and cloud computing experience. Nvidia, Qualcomm, Freescale, Texas Instruments were promising hardware acceleration for the browser, Flash and HTML5 at Computex, but they didn&#8217;t really show it yet. I believe they can make it work as a 2003 X86 based browser (something like a 512MB RAM or less system), though that may not be enough for the full mass market to adopt the first version, thus Google might prefer to wait for full launch for it to work better than 2009 x86 browsers.</p>
<p>3. Google wants better connectivity. Google is strongly hoping to start implementing White Spaces worldwide as soon as possible, this will enable free unlimited wireless Internet for all (and destroy all ISPs and telcos in the process). Optimized Connected standby features for ARM devices might only really start working perfectly early next year. First generation ARM Google OS laptops might not have LED lights that turn on instantly on incoming emails, feeds, pings, IMs, VOIP calls and other such crucial presence and social networking web apps which Google needs on the Google laptops for it to really feel like revolutionary products compared to the established systems.</p>
<p>4. Political aspects of this might start being put into places early next year as well such as real competition on HSDPA connectivity, maximum prices of $20 per month pre-paid data-only plans for most of the world and no more contract-plans and other voice and SMS plans forced onto consumers by monopolistic telcos. Also political decision on net neutrality, white spaces, sustainable energy consumption of consumer electronics and servers and crucial for Google to succeed on this global cloud computing plan.</p>
<p>I see it as inevitable, that Google will create Google OS, a super tiny embedded Linux open source OS less than 50 Megabytes for the whole highly optimized OS, and that in a couple of months we will start seeing it ship on $150 ARM based laptops with all types of screen sizes (large screens and keyboards aren&#8217;t much more expensive than small ones, consider $50 upgrade for 15&#8243; and full keyboard instead of 10&#8243; and tiny netbook keyboard).</p>
<p>Those $150 Google laptops will be running ARM chips by half a dozen competing ARM processor manufacturers and manufactured by all the major laptop manufacturers in the world. Effectively putting out of business all of Microsoft, Intel and Apple. Together with most of Silicon Valley. That is for the better. For the first time billions more people will have access to this technology very quickly and we will all for the first time really find amazing new ways to use the technology.</p>
<p>As for technical details on Native versus Cloud apps. I believe natively you will have everything needed for a full computing experience. Basically it&#8217;s not just the browser, it&#8217;s not just flash support, it&#8217;s not just HTML5 including native code plugins for the browser and 3D in the browser, it&#8217;s like providing you the hypervisors, user interface APIs, clever caching and seamless interface optimizations, which will enable you to not only have a full 2009 x86 style computing experience, it will plug you into the full cloud, in fact giving you infinately more computing power for all the most processor intensive tasks that the biggest professionals would want to use. You can definitely encode videos using grid server encoding, I have been doing that for over 2 years for all my HD video encoding needs, just have a fast enough upload to upload your source files from your camcorders. Google Gears type database and web application caching not only lets you do things while offline, it can turn all web applications into feeling exactly like native applications, they respond instantly without having to wait for any online service to stream the user interfaces back at you. The user interfaces will be locally cached on the machine, only processed data is streamed from the cloud, and clever pre-loading algorithms mostly will not make you feel any difference than processing everything using a local X86 processor. In fact, things will feel much faster cause you will be able to have the power of an unlimited amount of cloud servers to render, process and encode any of your media intensive tasks.</p>
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		<title>By: turn.self.off</title>
		<link>http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-round-up-podcasts-thoughts/#comment-24340</link>
		<dc:creator>turn.self.off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that makes X11 look memory hungry is that it reports graphics card memory as memory its using. So if you have a graphics card with say 512MB ram, it will appear as if X11 eats up that much system ram...

Also, the graphics used by all ui elements and similar is stored inside X11 memory, not individual app memory...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that makes X11 look memory hungry is that it reports graphics card memory as memory its using. So if you have a graphics card with say 512MB ram, it will appear as if X11 eats up that much system ram&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, the graphics used by all ui elements and similar is stored inside X11 memory, not individual app memory&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve 'Chippy' Paine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve 'Chippy' Paine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;New article: Google Chrome OS. Round-Up, Podcasts, Thoughts. http://cli.gs/64uu6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">New article: Google Chrome OS. Round-Up, Podcasts, Thoughts. <a href="http://cli.gs/64uu6" rel="nofollow">http://cli.gs/64uu6</a></span></span></span></p>
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