Comments on: Chrome(ium) OS PC’s: Dumber than your Mobile Phone. http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/ Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:47:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Iflyrc http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-30733 Iflyrc Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:23:25 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-30733 i had a chance to play with the chrome os, and i must say that if you have used the chrome broswer, thats all it really is. thats it, nothing more really. a few behind the scenes features not in chrome browser but no real differences. i have a desktop, and i have a netbook and a windows based smartphone. all of them have internet access but they all also have more features and capabilities than chrome os offers. i cant honestly see myself ever needing faster boot times to give up all the other things that my normal devices can do. i frequently play world of warcraft on my netbook which chrome wouldnt support. you cant edit or upload video, listen to music without an internet connection. what if you are on a long flight and dont have wifi at 30,000ft? some portable devices would just fail without a full operating system. it may have its niche, but i cant see it being widely used. i had a chance to play with the chrome os, and i must say that if you have used the chrome broswer, thats all it really is. thats it, nothing more really. a few behind the scenes features not in chrome browser but no real differences.
i have a desktop, and i have a netbook and a windows based smartphone. all of them have internet access but they all also have more features and capabilities than chrome os offers. i cant honestly see myself ever needing faster boot times to give up all the other things that my normal devices can do. i frequently play world of warcraft on my netbook which chrome wouldnt support. you cant edit or upload video, listen to music without an internet connection. what if you are on a long flight and dont have wifi at 30,000ft? some portable devices would just fail without a full operating system.
it may have its niche, but i cant see it being widely used.

]]> By: tal http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28741 tal Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:44:26 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28741 I agree with your every word Steve! Tal I agree with your every word Steve!
Tal

]]> By: johnkzin http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28690 johnkzin Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:23:40 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28690 This: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/22/1620243/Chrome-OS-and-Android-Will-Likely-Converge-In-the-Future gives me hope for Chrome's future. If Android and Chrome merge, then we should eventually get the best of both: 1) Fast booting in Android 2) Netbook type resolutions and device features in Android 3) A full type browser (Google Chrome Browser) in Android 4) Dalvik, for local applications, in Chrome 5) Screen Rotation, for tablets and convertible tablet netbooks, in Chrome 6) Hopefully, variant distributions (like Cyanogen) for Chrome only it wont be "in Android" and "in/for Chrome". It'll all be one thing (hopefully). Or the only difference between them will be "Android has the mobile browser, Chrome has the desktop browser". (Acer and a few others are trying to do #2 by themselves, but having it be a core part of the OS would be much nicer/better) This:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/22/1620243/Chrome-OS-and-Android-Will-Likely-Converge-In-the-Future

gives me hope for Chrome’s future. If Android and Chrome merge, then we should eventually get the best of both:

1) Fast booting in Android
2) Netbook type resolutions and device features in Android
3) A full type browser (Google Chrome Browser) in Android
4) Dalvik, for local applications, in Chrome
5) Screen Rotation, for tablets and convertible tablet netbooks, in Chrome
6) Hopefully, variant distributions (like Cyanogen) for Chrome

only it wont be “in Android” and “in/for Chrome”. It’ll all be one thing (hopefully). Or the only difference between them will be “Android has the mobile browser, Chrome has the desktop browser”.

(Acer and a few others are trying to do #2 by themselves, but having it be a core part of the OS would be much nicer/better)

]]> By: animatio http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28674 animatio Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:20:15 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28674 yup ... just another hyping splash in the water ..... i stay with dual boot (or call it triple) - win , lin, and a fast start, almost powerup lin os for communications only. yup … just another hyping splash in the water …..
i stay with dual boot (or call it triple) – win , lin, and a fast start, almost powerup lin os for communications only.

]]> By: TareX http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28651 TareX Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:55:32 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28651 This is the same mentality that produced the other Google fail called "Wave"... the idea that "a lot of our stuff was not developed for today's usage, and therefore needs to be built from the ground up with modern usage in mind"... it sounds right but it fails to recognize the significant evolution these products have gone through over the years. This is the same mentality that produced the other Google fail called “Wave”… the idea that “a lot of our stuff was not developed for today’s usage, and therefore needs to be built from the ground up with modern usage in mind”… it sounds right but it fails to recognize the significant evolution these products have gone through over the years.

]]> By: pan.sapiens http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28647 pan.sapiens Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:35:25 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28647 "Not to mention the security or snooping that can happen with a technology like that! I’d prefer a local program any time!" -I must admit I'd rather have my secondary devices farm storage and processing out to a my desktop, rather than to google, microsoft, et al. I'd still have the benefits of not having to worry about syncing everything, and could acess storage and processing power remotely, which are the key advantages of "the cloud" (stupidest buzzword ever) for me, but I wouldn't have to worry about privacy and I wouldn't be forced in to using the particular applications which google etc. choose to make available. This is perfectly technologically feasible -in fact prople running remote desktops are already doing this, albeit in an akward and non user friendly way. “Not to mention the security or snooping that can happen with a technology like that! I’d prefer a local program any time!”
-I must admit I’d rather have my secondary devices farm storage and processing out to a my desktop, rather than to google, microsoft, et al. I’d still have the benefits of not having to worry about syncing everything, and could acess storage and processing power remotely, which are the key advantages of “the cloud” (stupidest buzzword ever) for me, but I wouldn’t have to worry about privacy and I wouldn’t be forced in to using the particular applications which google etc. choose to make available. This is perfectly technologically feasible -in fact prople running remote desktops are already doing this, albeit in an akward and non user friendly way.

]]> By: cobalt http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28634 cobalt Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:38:39 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28634 I actually think Chrome OS is a great idea. Some folks, like Kevin Tofel on JKK, are overly concerned about the ability to run local applications. No offense to Kevin, but what does he use his computer for 90% of the time that he needs locally installed apps? I have a notebook PC, a Dell XPS with all the extras, running Windows XP Pro; the only applications I use are Open Office to write .rtf files, a PDF reader, and Media Monkey. I have another notebook PC running Ubuntu, using the same applications: word processing, PDF file reading, and music playback. Everything else I do on my desktop. Just a couple thoughts: 1. A lot of businesses are giving their traveling employees notebooks that have no company data on them and are going with cloud services. It seems like it increases data security. 2. Most of the time people are using their computer, they're using their browser or doing something that can be done in a browser. 3. Many of the times that people turn on the computer, it's just to use the browser (just like Google's video says). 4. Any specialized app that I would buy and install wouldn't run well on an Atom CPU with limited hardware internals anyway. 5. ARM CPUs are good enough for internet access and outperform the Atom for power utilization, but they need an accessible OS. Most people who are interested in a relatively inexpensive device for internet access aren't going to be interested in or knowledgeable about hunting down open source applications compiled for ARM CPUs, etc. It's just not going to happen. 6. I don't see how it can have less functionality than Moblin. It may not be presented in the same way, but it should do the same things. 7. Google Gears has been around for a while, and developers could theoretically have been making off-line webapps for the past few years. Maybe HTML 5 will give those applications some better potential. Finally, if you have a dual-CPU machine (x86 and ARM) with a small SSD (a few GB) dedicated to running Chrome OS, it will give you the ability to use your machine almost immediately, preserves the ability to access locally stored content, and has a reduced power utilization that could double battery life. Let's say that adds $100-$150 to the cost of a notebook or desktop PC. The question is, is that feature worth the money? I personally would rather have that feature than a Blu-Ray drive or an SSD. Honestly, I'd be interested in knowing what most people really need locally stored applications for these days, that are not used for some work-related activity. I can only think of a few: ripping and burning CDs and DVDs; torrenting files; hobby-related activities (recording music, editing videos, playing games). I actually think Chrome OS is a great idea. Some folks, like Kevin Tofel on JKK, are overly concerned about the ability to run local applications. No offense to Kevin, but what does he use his computer for 90% of the time that he needs locally installed apps? I have a notebook PC, a Dell XPS with all the extras, running Windows XP Pro; the only applications I use are Open Office to write .rtf files, a PDF reader, and Media Monkey. I have another notebook PC running Ubuntu, using the same applications: word processing, PDF file reading, and music playback. Everything else I do on my desktop.

Just a couple thoughts:
1. A lot of businesses are giving their traveling employees notebooks that have no company data on them and are going with cloud services. It seems like it increases data security.
2. Most of the time people are using their computer, they’re using their browser or doing something that can be done in a browser.
3. Many of the times that people turn on the computer, it’s just to use the browser (just like Google’s video says).
4. Any specialized app that I would buy and install wouldn’t run well on an Atom CPU with limited hardware internals anyway.
5. ARM CPUs are good enough for internet access and outperform the Atom for power utilization, but they need an accessible OS. Most people who are interested in a relatively inexpensive device for internet access aren’t going to be interested in or knowledgeable about hunting down open source applications compiled for ARM CPUs, etc. It’s just not going to happen.
6. I don’t see how it can have less functionality than Moblin. It may not be presented in the same way, but it should do the same things.
7. Google Gears has been around for a while, and developers could theoretically have been making off-line webapps for the past few years. Maybe HTML 5 will give those applications some better potential.

Finally, if you have a dual-CPU machine (x86 and ARM) with a small SSD (a few GB) dedicated to running Chrome OS, it will give you the ability to use your machine almost immediately, preserves the ability to access locally stored content, and has a reduced power utilization that could double battery life. Let’s say that adds $100-$150 to the cost of a notebook or desktop PC. The question is, is that feature worth the money? I personally would rather have that feature than a Blu-Ray drive or an SSD.

Honestly, I’d be interested in knowing what most people really need locally stored applications for these days, that are not used for some work-related activity. I can only think of a few: ripping and burning CDs and DVDs; torrenting files; hobby-related activities (recording music, editing videos, playing games).

]]> By: ProDigit http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28631 ProDigit Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:14:58 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28631 I don't think so, with ISP's adding bandwidth limitations, that continuously become more and more tight for many users... Yes, 10 years ago I had a 10GB monthly transfer limit, but my actual surfing would always be below 2GB per month. The rest would be data download. At times I would have to shift some of those downloads to the next month. But nowadays, my surfing behavior hasn't changed much, but an average month of surfing will be closer to 4GB now, thanks to increased flash ads, and trailers on almost every website. Lucky I know how to block them,but I think this cloud based things are hyped more than they really are worth. Yes,google docs are nice, but are not as compatible and easy to do advanced stuff with you normally do with office. Not to mention the security or snooping that can happen with a technology like that! I'd prefer a local program any time! I don’t think so,
with ISP’s adding bandwidth limitations, that continuously become more and more tight for many users…
Yes, 10 years ago I had a 10GB monthly transfer limit, but my actual surfing would always be below 2GB per month.
The rest would be data download. At times I would have to shift some of those downloads to the next month.
But nowadays, my surfing behavior hasn’t changed much, but an average month of surfing will be closer to 4GB now, thanks to increased flash ads, and trailers on almost every website.
Lucky I know how to block them,but I think this cloud based things are hyped more than they really are worth.
Yes,google docs are nice, but are not as compatible and easy to do advanced stuff with you normally do with office.
Not to mention the security or snooping that can happen with a technology like that!
I’d prefer a local program any time!

]]> By: ProDigit http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28629 ProDigit Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:05:01 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28629 It's gonna have a hard time trying to bounce against the big players like Windows, OSX, Ubuntu, and other Linux versions with a well developed platform and good driver support. It’s gonna have a hard time trying to bounce against the big players like Windows, OSX, Ubuntu, and other Linux versions with a well developed platform and good driver support.

]]> By: pan.sapiens http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28626 pan.sapiens Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:18:59 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28626 I think most people are missing the point with Chrome OS. This is not so much an OS as an attempt to get rid of the OS -> a browser sitting on top of firmware if you will. Chrome seeks to farm everything out to "the cloud". As TareX comments above "Unless internet access is: 1) Available everywhere 2) For free everywhere 3) Is pretty fast everywhere," this is not going to be terribly populat -yet. But on the other hand as people become more web based in everything they do, a normal OS will become superfluous. So this is a forward looking device and a gamble, and as is so often the case with google won't make them money straight away. But on the other hand this just might be how we all do things in a few years, so props to google for putting it out there. I think most people are missing the point with Chrome OS. This is not so much an OS as an attempt to get rid of the OS -> a browser sitting on top of firmware if you will. Chrome seeks to farm everything out to “the cloud”. As TareX comments above “Unless internet access is: 1) Available everywhere 2) For free everywhere 3) Is pretty fast everywhere,” this is not going to be terribly populat -yet. But on the other hand as people become more web based in everything they do, a normal OS will become superfluous. So this is a forward looking device and a gamble, and as is so often the case with google won’t make them money straight away. But on the other hand this just might be how we all do things in a few years, so props to google for putting it out there.

]]> By: GET http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28617 GET Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:17:31 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28617 "Companion Device"? I keep no devices as companions. I am left to my own devices. My devices have no companions. I leave my companions to their own devices. I have one device which I had chromed. That does not make it my companion. Actually, I left my device to a companion. If I had a new operating system, would I be a better companion. Go with a companion and free the droids! “Companion Device”? I keep no devices as companions.
I am left to my own devices.
My devices have no companions.
I leave my companions to their own devices.
I have one device which I had chromed.
That does not make it my companion.
Actually, I left my device to a companion.
If I had a new operating system, would I be a better companion.
Go with a companion and free the droids!

]]> By: dev http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28615 dev Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:58:44 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28615 Apparently threaded replies aren't working right from android's browser (or at least that one didn't). My comment above was in reply to TareX Apparently threaded replies aren’t working right from android’s browser (or at least that one didn’t). My comment above was in reply to TareX

]]> By: dev http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28614 dev Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:53:34 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28614 As far as number 2 is concerned, you have to keep in mind that a shocking number of people are willing to pay for data now that would never have considered it in the past... entirely thanks to the iPhone. So it is possible to make the sale, but it depends on whether the product is appealing enough to allow folks to simply overlook the cost. As far as number 2 is concerned, you have to keep in mind that a shocking number of people are willing to pay for data now that would never have considered it in the past… entirely thanks to the iPhone. So it is possible to make the sale, but it depends on whether the product is appealing enough to allow folks to simply overlook the cost.

]]> By: Michael http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28613 Michael Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:07:25 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28613 I think you are a little bit to citical about chrome os The browser only concept is actually quiet nice. If it really boots up in 7 seconds, my chrome os netbook might be dumber than my phone but a lot faster! You also have to think about Chrome coming out in 1 year! At the beginning I was really sceptic about cloud computing and browser applications. But now a lot of my daily tasks have moved int he cloud - Google Calender is way better than iCal or Outlook Calendar, especially with it's collaboration features ands syncing to pretty much everything (Android, Iphone, java handsets), also sends you sms notifications... - If you dont install anything on your pc but have all the things in your browser you device stays fast, I am pretty sue especially Windows users can tell a story about their devices gaining some weight and becoming slow over the years (haha Windows 7 registry, that's so oldschool!) - a lot of browser apps work just fine (google docs, evernote...) for on the go use ther is no need for a stand a lone application, you will never get a full desktop experience on an umpc or netbook so why not concentrating on the important stuff I think you are a little bit to citical about chrome os

The browser only concept is actually quiet nice. If it really boots up in 7 seconds, my chrome os netbook might be dumber than my phone but a lot faster!

You also have to think about Chrome coming out in 1 year! At the beginning I was really sceptic about cloud computing and browser applications. But now a lot of my daily tasks have moved int he cloud

- Google Calender is way better than iCal or Outlook Calendar, especially with it’s collaboration features ands syncing to pretty much everything (Android, Iphone, java handsets), also sends you sms notifications…
- If you dont install anything on your pc but have all the things in your browser you device stays fast, I am pretty sue especially Windows users can tell a story about their devices gaining some weight and becoming slow over the years (haha Windows 7 registry, that’s so oldschool!)
- a lot of browser apps work just fine (google docs, evernote…) for on the go use ther is no need for a stand a lone application, you will never get a full desktop experience on an umpc or netbook so why not concentrating on the important stuff

]]> By: Patrick http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/11/chromeium-os-pcs-dumber-than-your-mobile-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-28608 Patrick Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:48:50 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=10502#comment-28608 Ubuntu for ARM here i come! :) Ubuntu for ARM here i come! :)

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