Comments on: AMD-based XPPhone Gets a Price and New Images. http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/ portable pc, mobile computer, pocket pc and handheld computing Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:29:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: luis http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-35147 luis Tue, 08 Jun 2010 02:12:24 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-35147 its been over a year still nothing... is it ever gonna come out or what its been over a year still nothing… is it ever gonna come out or what

]]> By: DavidC1 http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30747 DavidC1 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:07:27 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30747 Only the Viliv's really reach what they claim though, reliably. :P Only the Viliv’s really reach what they claim though, reliably. :P

]]> By: Jake http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30744 Jake Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:09:23 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30744 Viliv's S5 page: "6 hours continuous movie playback" Viliv's N5 press release: "Up to 5 hours battery life" xpPhone's page: "Real life: about 7 hours (standard)" UMID's M1 page: "6 hrs" Kohjinsha's PA page: "Approximately 7.5 hours" Pocketables review of Everun S60H: "runtime of up to 6 hours" There are plenty of UMPCs with "manufacturer claims" of long battery life. Viliv’s S5 page: “6 hours continuous movie playback”
Viliv’s N5 press release: “Up to 5 hours battery life”
xpPhone’s page: “Real life: about 7 hours (standard)”
UMID’s M1 page: “6 hrs”
Kohjinsha’s PA page: “Approximately 7.5 hours”
Pocketables review of Everun S60H: “runtime of up to 6 hours”

There are plenty of UMPCs with “manufacturer claims” of long battery life.

]]> By: Phil http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30742 Phil Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:47:52 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30742 interface, I don't think point is how they do it, the fact is, it stated to be 5 hours. How many UMPC's last for 5 hours or more? (I only know 1 maybe 2?) I think battery life has been one of the key issues with UMPC functionality. --Phil interface, I don’t think point is how they do it, the fact is, it stated to be 5 hours. How many UMPC’s last for 5 hours or more? (I only know 1 maybe 2?)
I think battery life has been one of the key issues with UMPC functionality.

–Phil

]]> By: interface http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30702 interface Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:13:12 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30702 The XPPhone hasn't exactly said anything innovative in how they save battery life. Unless they made low power GPS, 3G, WiFi and other components themselves then the device doesn't have any unique features related to battery life. The interface on the XPPhone isn't exactly a skin placed on top of XP. It's just a phone application that runs in fullscreen where you can send/receive calls and text messages. To do everything else (ie. play videos, browse the internet, run a different program) you have to close the phone application (it still runs in the background) and use the standard XP interface. UMID uses Thepot Player program for better usability. Here's a video example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkjFu1aynOA The XPPhone hasn’t exactly said anything innovative in how they save battery life. Unless they made low power GPS, 3G, WiFi and other components themselves then the device doesn’t have any unique features related to battery life.

The interface on the XPPhone isn’t exactly a skin placed on top of XP. It’s just a phone application that runs in fullscreen where you can send/receive calls and text messages. To do everything else (ie. play videos, browse the internet, run a different program) you have to close the phone application (it still runs in the background) and use the standard XP interface.

UMID uses Thepot Player program for better usability. Here’s a video example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkjFu1aynOA

]]> By: comment http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30701 comment Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:56:27 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30701 It's unlikely that AMD is using this company to release a new low power CPU to compete with the Atom but I could still hope they are. I like the form factor. Currently, the lowest power AMD CPUs are the Geode. The 600 MHz Geode LX has a TDP of 5.1 W. Compare that to the significantly faster Atom with a TDP of ~2 W. Also, DDR2 uses up to 65% less power than DDR1. The rest of the chips (WWAN, bluetooth, WLAN, etc.) are likely the standard off the shelf chips found on most devices. So the only places this company can improve power consumption are in the logic board design which doesn't have a big power draw anyway and software. On the software side they just opted for Windows XP Embedded which isn't very innovative. They claim that calls will wake up the PC from standby so power consumption during standby is higher than other x86 based devices since power is needed to monitor for incoming calls and wake up the device. Anyway, I'm hoping they're using some new unannounced AMD CPU. It’s unlikely that AMD is using this company to release a new low power CPU to compete with the Atom but I could still hope they are. I like the form factor.

Currently, the lowest power AMD CPUs are the Geode. The 600 MHz Geode LX has a TDP of 5.1 W. Compare that to the significantly faster Atom with a TDP of ~2 W. Also, DDR2 uses up to 65% less power than DDR1. The rest of the chips (WWAN, bluetooth, WLAN, etc.) are likely the standard off the shelf chips found on most devices. So the only places this company can improve power consumption are in the logic board design which doesn’t have a big power draw anyway and software. On the software side they just opted for Windows XP Embedded which isn’t very innovative.

They claim that calls will wake up the PC from standby so power consumption during standby is higher than other x86 based devices since power is needed to monitor for incoming calls and wake up the device.

Anyway, I’m hoping they’re using some new unannounced AMD CPU.

]]> By: Phil http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30700 Phil Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:41:24 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30700 good stuff research. And the fact is, no one knows exactly what processor or what the performance is in the XPphone. WE do not have the real product available for testing right? So this is all skepticism. Of course it would be nice if we had exact details that would make us feel better about the processor and performance. I guess it's an easy target to analyze the processor, but no one is talking much about the features. Every other MID (umid, viliv) are plain, boring features. Just surfing. But the xpphone seems to have some unique features specific to battery life. People forget about battery life in portable devices? Yo, that's like the most important issue in all these UMPC reviews. How about the interface on top of XP. Who cares it's not 7, when XP is faster, and there's a new interface on top anyways. How many people here use 7 anyways? I'm still getting used to the crazy hoggin vista. Have viliv, umid even tried to change the interface to xp? good stuff research. And the fact is, no one knows exactly what processor or what the performance is in the XPphone. WE do not have the real product available for testing right? So this is all skepticism. Of course it would be nice if we had exact details that would make us feel better about the processor and performance. I guess it’s an easy target to analyze the processor, but no one is talking much about the features. Every other MID (umid, viliv) are plain, boring features. Just surfing. But the xpphone seems to have some unique features specific to battery life. People forget about battery life in portable devices? Yo, that’s like the most important issue in all these UMPC reviews. How about the interface on top of XP. Who cares it’s not 7, when XP is faster, and there’s a new interface on top anyways. How many people here use 7 anyways? I’m still getting used to the crazy hoggin vista. Have viliv, umid even tried to change the interface to xp?

]]> By: DavidC1 http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30687 DavidC1 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:07:43 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30687 If they use the NX CPUs, they will get killed by the Core 2 ULV CPUs. The Core 2 Solos go to 1.2GHz and have 5.5W TDP. Even the Core 2 Duos have 10W TDP. Only reason they are using the Geode is probably price I guess. Actually, I'm not even sure how they'll squeeze the NX CPUs inside that small chassis. The CPU itself is quite big UMPC-wise. If they use the NX CPUs, they will get killed by the Core 2 ULV CPUs. The Core 2 Solos go to 1.2GHz and have 5.5W TDP. Even the Core 2 Duos have 10W TDP.

Only reason they are using the Geode is probably price I guess.

Actually, I’m not even sure how they’ll squeeze the NX CPUs inside that small chassis. The CPU itself is quite big UMPC-wise.

]]> By: Phen0m http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30679 Phen0m Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:16:49 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30679 XPinside models looks promising.. couldn't begin to hypothesize the potentially exorbitant cost of them however. This is going to be an interesting experiment for the procurers.. Lastly.. why not just purchase the oQo IP.. add cellular capabilities and be done with it?? XPinside models looks promising.. couldn’t begin to hypothesize the potentially exorbitant cost of them however. This is going to be an interesting experiment for the procurers..

Lastly.. why not just purchase the oQo IP.. add cellular capabilities and be done with it??

]]> By: pouncep http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30678 pouncep Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:12:17 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30678 in their Chinese specs: "可支持 1024 x 768 双清显示", supports 1024 x 768 double clarity(?) display, you can also choose the SSD size. go to the last link and click on "中文" beside "English" and you can see the specs with prices. in their Chinese specs: “可支持 1024 x 768 双清显示”, supports 1024 x 768 double clarity(?) display, you can also choose the SSD size. go to the last link and click on “中文” beside “English” and you can see the specs with prices.

]]> By: j http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30674 j Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:02:11 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30674 According this page, http://www.xpphone.com/en/yingyong/Customized.html, you can customize it with an AMD CPU greater than 1 GHz. If they're still using the Geode then it has to be the NX CPUs but those have high power consumption. http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_10837%5E10858,00.html NX 1250 (667 MHz): 6 W Average Power, 9 W TDP NX 1500 (1 GHz): 6 W Average Power, 9 W TDP NX 1750 (1.4 GHz): 14 W Average Power, 25 W TDP These are different sized CPUs and are not pin compatible with the Geode LX CPUs. That power consumption is getting close to Mobile Core 2 Duos which are probably a lot faster. Core 2 Duo P9600 (2.66 GHz): 25 W TDP According this page, http://www.xpphone.com/en/yingyong/Customized.html, you can customize it with an AMD CPU greater than 1 GHz. If they’re still using the Geode then it has to be the NX CPUs but those have high power consumption.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_10837%5E10858,00.html
NX 1250 (667 MHz): 6 W Average Power, 9 W TDP
NX 1500 (1 GHz): 6 W Average Power, 9 W TDP
NX 1750 (1.4 GHz): 14 W Average Power, 25 W TDP

These are different sized CPUs and are not pin compatible with the Geode LX CPUs. That power consumption is getting close to Mobile Core 2 Duos which are probably a lot faster.

Core 2 Duo P9600 (2.66 GHz): 25 W TDP

]]> By: anon http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30663 anon Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:02:57 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30663 Well, perhaps they can learn from this model and make a better XP phone later. A bit like how the UMID BZ may not have existed without them testing the concept with the M1 first. There aren't that many decent low power x86 platforms for Windows XP from which to choose from though. Well, perhaps they can learn from this model and make a better XP phone later. A bit like how the UMID BZ may not have existed without them testing the concept with the M1 first. There aren’t that many decent low power x86 platforms for Windows XP from which to choose from though.

]]> By: yamete888 http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30658 yamete888 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:31:54 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30658 On the chinese website, it's listed some pricing info...but looks like these are the lower end models...! boohoo!!!!! http://www.xpphone.com/Product/price.html On the chinese website, it’s listed some pricing info…but looks like these are the lower end models…! boohoo!!!!!

http://www.xpphone.com/Product/price.html

]]> By: comment http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30654 comment Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:43:59 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30654 If this thing had a Z550 Atom then it would be my next OQO replacement. If this thing had a Z550 Atom then it would be my next OQO replacement.

]]> By: sophocha http://www.umpcportal.com/2010/01/amd-based-xpphone-gets-a-price-and-new-images/#comment-30649 sophocha Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:11:37 +0000 http://www.umpcportal.com/?p=11036#comment-30649 Yeah, I remember the old days of the Everun with the Geode CPU.They weren`t happy days concerning the Flash performance.Youtube was struggling to produce average framerates.My 600Mhz N900 is way better concerning flash!Why do I need this phone then if I can do almost 90% of my daily surfing on the N900? N900 is smaller, can play better flash content, has a wonderful 5 Mpix camera, has open source (Mirc, firefox browser, skype, you name it), plays almost all video content.Its a good concept but too late for the market.If it was 2006 I would consider it, but not in 2010.LG with Atom will be way better than this....so yeah, good concept poor execution. Yeah, I remember the old days of the Everun with the Geode CPU.They weren`t happy days concerning the Flash performance.Youtube was struggling to produce average framerates.My 600Mhz N900 is way better concerning flash!Why do I need this phone then if I can do almost 90% of my daily surfing on the N900? N900 is smaller, can play better flash content, has a wonderful 5 Mpix camera, has open source (Mirc, firefox browser, skype, you name it), plays almost all video content.Its a good concept but too late for the market.If it was 2006 I would consider it, but not in 2010.LG with Atom will be way better than this….so yeah, good concept poor execution.

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