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Samsung Q1 Bricked by BIOS flash | #1 |
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UMPC Curious
 
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Does anybody know how to recover from a bad bios flash on the Q1? I was trying to upgrade to the 20MA bios and it froze. I know it has a Phoenix bios from screenshots on the internet, so there's a BIOS recovery mode. You have to make a CRISIS recovery disk and boot with a Fn-B or Win-B, but there's no keyboard so how do I do this? Is there a special combination of buttons?
I downloaded the NP-Q1 Service Manual and Technical Diagrams and can't find a solution. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/21 11:13
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I'm only a desktop guy and never had a bad flash yet, but if all you're missing is a keyboard, I'd say try your luck with a standard USB one? If it detects it at POST, which it should.
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Posted on: 2009/8/21 13:52
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Most usb keyboards don't have a dedicated Fn key and I don't think the BIOS picks up a usb keyboard device.
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Posted on: 2009/8/22 6:51
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All desktop and notebook computers detect USB keyboards at boot. I'd be willing to bet it's the same for the Q1.
Where did you find pictures of the BIOS? If I could see certain sections of it it could confirm this. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/22 7:15
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UMPC Curious
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The power of Google:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/508035377_b4ed5648d5_b.jpg The problem is that on traditional laptop systems the keyboard is connected via PS/2 not USB. You can verify in the device manager. I'm thinking there is another key combination on the Q1 using the native keys, but maybe not. |
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Posted on: 2009/8/24 4:52
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So I opened up my Q1 and there's a diagnostic port, but I don't have any way to interface with it. But according to the Service Manual I can ground pin R219 to ground to get it into Crisis Recover Mode. The problem is I can't find this pin.
I also downloaded the Service Manuals for the Q1-B and Q1 Ultra. They all have similar schematics for Crisis mode, but obviously different pins. Take a look at the Q1 schematic I've attached. Attached file:  SamsungQ1.jpg (151.13 KB) |
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Posted on: 2009/8/25 7:10
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UMPC Curious
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R219 appears to be a resistor (sw corner) in the box marked "crisis".
Pehaps a pin on one side or the other? |
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Posted on: 2009/8/26 2:36
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UMPC Curious
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I know that. I can't find it on the actual system board.
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Posted on: 2009/8/26 6:33
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UMPC Curious
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Can anybody tell how to restore BIOS flash on Q1 Ultra?
I have external keyboard, but it seems that the combination Win+B does not work. 2DanielNTX Did you find a solution? |
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Posted on: 2009/9/23 11:21
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When I bought mine it was already the latest BIOS, but I assume if you boot from a USB stick with the flash utility on it it should work (download from Samsung, latest is 03ME, something like that)
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Posted on: 2009/9/23 13:13
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I have failed during writing BIOS and as a result my UMPC can't boot from HDD or USB Flash. As I understand it, to restore the BIOS I need to start the UMPC in recovery mode, but I can't do this. Win+B not working for me. |
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Posted on: 2009/9/23 14:30
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Re: Samsung Q1 Bricked by BIOS flash | #12 |
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How did you flash it badly? That's crazy bad, at least for desktops (my area). Unless you somehow lose power, I don't see how a bad flash would happen. Was it a corrupted file?
USB keyboards work fine from the start, tried with 3 of mine and they all work. Only the Samsung Q1U one has an "Fn" key which I never used in my life nor know existed. I never had to flash mine though, so I only ever needed F2 for the BIOS. edit: the only combo the FN key could do after some testing is enter sleep mode with Fn + escape. No other one worked even though it shows it on the KB :( It's Fn+B or Win+B for the flashing stuff you say? And it's not working? |
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Posted on: 2009/9/23 15:08
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UMPC Curious
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You're gonna have to open it up and find the pin for CRISIS bios recovery mode. It's listed in the service manual. |
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Posted on: 2009/10/24 6:36
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Re: Samsung Q1 Bricked by BIOS flash | #14 |
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UMPC Curious
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Can you throw a photo of this place? Or at least describe more precisely in what part of the motherboard to look for him? He even signed?
What to do with it: close and boot? |
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Posted on: 2009/10/24 10:09
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UMPC Curious
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I found this CRISIS pin but I can not understand how to use it?
Attached file: PA250011.jpg (45.30 KB) |
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Posted on: 2009/10/25 18:56
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